Oops…
Johnny Dollar sent this in. The 8 pm ET version of Tuesday’s O’Reilly Factor featured some old footage of ex-congressman, Republican Mark Foley with a lower third on top of it…
But the lower third error was caught and fixed in time for the 11 pm rebroadcast…
Note: Normally I police the comments for profanity and other inappropriate behavior. But the comments are coming in too fast and furious today on this entry thanks to the Drudge link for me to keep up. So today and tomorrow ICN is operating under the Honor System. Be nice…
Something FNC probably has not mention IS FNC knew about the e-mails about a year ago. Funny how it didnt want to break the story now isnt it. AND how now FNC is blaming the democrats for bringing the emails public.
Comment by Stud — October 4, 2006 @ 1:02 am
Oops! Whoever made that error concerning party affiliation must have been thinking of Patrick Kennedy. Funny, but that guy got scant attention once he went into rehab. Clever, those loving Democrats like Pelosi, Dean, and everybody else from that party.
The guys and gals who would not throw out an ex-president for a much graver offense at the White House have all suddenly been seized by temper tantrums. Superb acting at its best!
Comment by RGL — October 4, 2006 @ 1:34 am
A bj is a graver offense than a 50 something hitting on underage boys?
Comment by Steve — October 4, 2006 @ 2:24 am
RGL, you’re smoking crack if you think a consensual BJ between two adults is worse than an adult soliciting children.
Not to mention, some of the latest IMs reveal that he may have met up with one of the pages and spent the night with him.
Comment by Joey Joe Joe — October 4, 2006 @ 2:59 am
A true fix would be to have his actual party representation displayed….
Comment by Tommyd — October 4, 2006 @ 5:42 am
I also read about FNC “sitting” on the emails….SHAME!
Comment by Terance — October 4, 2006 @ 7:21 am
Stud and Terance, how could you possibly miss the fact that the St. Petersburg Times, Miami Herald and OTHER news outlets also “sat” on the story? Every story I read about this issue mentioned all three outlets. Plus the FBI knew about it and chose not to pursue further. Why are you singling out Fox News?
RGL, you are so right about Patrick Kennedy. I literally forgot about it, and I follow the news fairly closely! When it’s a dem, it’s swept under the rug and disappears almost immediately!
Comment by Missy — October 4, 2006 @ 9:20 am
Don’t forget to measure!
Comment by FGFM — October 4, 2006 @ 9:32 am
So, when they removed it why didn’t they just change the D to R? Instead, they just took it out altogether. FoxNews is so transparent.
Comment by chuck — October 4, 2006 @ 9:36 am
Yes, when its a Dem, it is swept under the rug…… That’s why the GOP spent millions upon millions to try impeach Clinton for infedility……..which is a lot different than pedophilia! Give me a break. This country full of relgious right, conservative hypocrites makes me sick anymore. I like the double whammy though, booze and a clergyman now. What a sick coward this guy is.
Comment by JR — October 4, 2006 @ 9:36 am
Fox knew about the email, not the IMs. The same can be said for two Florida Newspapers who also did not print a story about the email to the LA teen. There is a distinction. The email was ambiguous. So much so that the FBI decided it did not warrant investigation. On the other hand, someone has been holding over 50 IMs for over 2 years. Who?
Comment by Pete — October 4, 2006 @ 9:37 am
And Gary Condit, and Torricelli, and Ted Kennedy is STILL serving in the Senate, and Mel Reynolds.
Yes, Democrat misdeeds do disappear from the public eye rather quickly.
Comment by Mike — October 4, 2006 @ 9:38 am
Hey idiots! Did you not understand the above story? Fox labeled Foley as a democrat on the TV Screen. A blatant attempt to confuse the uneducated about what party he is with. Get with the program people. You guys are so wrapped up with the dems and how they are acting instead of blaming people like FOX and the Republicans. Shame on Fox and shame on the american public for not being more outraged at what Fox did on TV.
Comment by Jeff — October 4, 2006 @ 9:38 am
Sadest thing about the coverage and the comments here is that the parties are looking to blame and fingerpoint and whose indescetions have been ‘worse’…this guy is a pedophile and should be treated as such. those that covered up his crimes should be dismissed and jailed. Its not a matter of republican vs. democrat …its a matter of the political mechanism that runs this great country being infected by the virus of corruption at every level; an assertion that the members of the house and senate continuously re-affirm.
Comment by pbc — October 4, 2006 @ 9:38 am
I’m suprised Bush did not pardon Foley like Clinton pardoned Reynolds when he had an affair with an underaged girl. Reynolds then went on to work for the most Rev. Jesse Jackson. The rules are different for the socialist democrats.
Comment by camp — October 4, 2006 @ 9:38 am
I don’t think Fox News it blaming anyone for anything. Fox News is a television channel, not a person. I seriously doubt Fox knew about it, or they would have broke the story at once, just like they broke the George Bush drunk driving story right before his first election.
Gil
Haifa, Israel
Comment by Gil — October 4, 2006 @ 9:40 am
Missy, I didn’t miss the fact of “print media” also sitting on the story. But, since this site is about cable news, I try to stay on topic. And if CNN or MSNBC had been mentioned you can bet I would have called them out too. Will FNC be issuing an explanation? Because the way it looks to me is….they were protecting a republican seat instead of underage boys being victimized by elected officials.
Comment by Terance — October 4, 2006 @ 9:41 am
A BJ isn’t a graver offense… It’s The BJ, lieing that it didn’t happen, claiming it wasn’t sex, etc.
Comment by Seng — October 4, 2006 @ 9:41 am
It’s the democrat’s fault that a republican congressperson had Internet sex (and evidently more) with 16-year-olds! How could those sleazy, non-family-values liberals do such a thing? Why, a democrat once had consensual oral sex with another adult, which is why 9/11 happened, and now this! Those bastards, they killed Kenny, too!
C’mon people, get over it. There are good republicans out there, and none of them was emailing kids about their cute little butts in the air, or telling us that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, or linking Saddam to al’Quaeda. Those particular republicans are the bad guys. You all need to clean house and get some of your good, honest, non-pedophile conservatives into office and stop blaming a the antics of your camp’s bad apples on the democrats.
Comment by Green — October 4, 2006 @ 9:42 am
Apparently Fox News thinks they can help the GOP by making some of thier half-brained fan base believe this perv is a Dem. Mistake my ass. We all know he is a Republican, no way to divert this one! Oh right, it’s the dirty Clergy men that started poor Foley on this self-destructive path. Good luck.
I just hope no morons are believing this, but heck it came out of the TV, it’s gotta be true. Right fellers!
Comment by Stephen — October 4, 2006 @ 9:42 am
Missy, RGL, and other Republicans:
I’m astonished you support this party. The republicans went to war upon a country using false pretenses (knowingly). I recall Germany, in 1939, doing the same exact thing upon Poland. The U.K. declared war upon Germany for such an act. If the U.K. declared war upon the USA (for doing the exact same thing) I would join the R.A.F. in a heartbeat.
Comment by Joe — October 4, 2006 @ 9:42 am
slip? I don’t think so. Just another perfect example of FOX duping their idiot audience. I think THEY should be brought up on charges.
Comment by loretta — October 4, 2006 @ 9:42 am
Too bad for Foley that Clinton isn’t POTUS…he could just hold out for pardon like the one given to Mel Reynolds. Oh wait….that was with an underage GIRL….Clinton never would have pardoned GAY sex…
Comment by beezdotcom — October 4, 2006 @ 9:43 am
Missy… Uh, maybe they’re “singling out” Fox because that’s who this story is is about??
RGL… what a ridiculous and offensive thing to say. In what way was a bj between two consenting adults even remotely close to being as bad as this? In what way was a small lie about an impropriety even comparable to a network of coverup inside and outside Congress that led to the continuation of a predator roaming loose?
None of these even begins to communicate magnitude of the difference between the issues involved here and those involved back then, but your idiotic post doesn’t deserve any more of my time.
Go away.
Comment by Jason — October 4, 2006 @ 9:43 am
Bill Ckinton getting oral sex from a 23 year old is much worse than Foley flirting/pressuring minor boys to send him photos, have dinner with him/ have sex with him. The cover-up by the left wing media of Clinton’s misdeeds is much worse than the Hasker et als cover up of a known lecherous pedophile. The page, sorry, pages were all planted by the, uh, Democrats, and umm, Woodward’s book is pure fiction except for the portions proven with documents and eye witnesses, umm, Democrats get away with everything, Mom always liked them more…..
As I’ve said for a few years, Bush could get caught eating a baby alive and there would be a huge uproar over the Democrats forcing him to do it, and a persecution of eyewitnesses for treason.
Comment by don hof — October 4, 2006 @ 9:44 am
I heard, and read that the family of the 16/17 year old asked that the matter be dropped when first discovered in 05 so as not to ‘out’ the child. Foley is gone and the Dems want more, how unlike them(sarcasm, on!)
Comment by stranded — October 4, 2006 @ 9:44 am
“The guys and gals who would not throw out an ex-president for a much graver offense at the White House have all suddenly been seized by temper tantrums.”
So you’re saying child molestation is a less repugnant act than adultery? Way to think that that statement through…
Comment by Chris — October 4, 2006 @ 9:45 am
Missy, when it’s a Dem, it’ swept under the rug? BILL CLINTON. Republicans were so infatuated with his getting a blow job in a concentual relationship with a young woman that they pursued him doggedly. Who knows if that spent energy would have captured Osama. Let’s see: Presidential blow job. Dangerous terrorist. The Republicans said, let’s concentrate on the blow job.
Comment by Jacob — October 4, 2006 @ 9:45 am
“A much graver offense at the whitehouse”
You are sick. This is a grown man being a predator over a teen. As much as you hate to admit it. LEWINSKY WAS 22.
Get over it. Protecting a child predator. How low can the GOP go?
Comment by J — October 4, 2006 @ 9:45 am
RGL and Missy, have you no souls at all? Has the Republican propaganda sucked out any resemblance of rational thought in your now empty little heads?
Are you really comparing Clinton’s consenual act with a 22-year-old to Republican Congressman Foley’s sexual exploidation of young teenagers?? Your efforts to appologize for Foley and sweep this issue away are almost as sickening as Foley’s acts themselves. You disgust me.
Comment by John Q. American — October 4, 2006 @ 9:46 am
Too bad for Foley that Clinton isn’t POTUS…he could get a pardon just like Mel Reynolds. Oh wait…that was for a 16 year old GIRL…Clinton probably wouldn’t have pardoned GAY underage solicitation, just STRAIGHT underage SEX.
Comment by beezdotcom — October 4, 2006 @ 9:46 am
And how many Democratic leaders kept Kennedy’s behavior covered up? And Kennedy was co-chairman of which alcoholism or child abuse committee again? This isn’t about Foley, this is about leadership covering up for one of their own, possibly in exchange for $100,000 donations and votes to support the agenda. The public needs to know the details of how this was handled by the leadership of the house and why they made the decisions they did. Explain quickly Mr. Hastert and we’ll move on.
Comment by John — October 4, 2006 @ 9:46 am
So now we’re bickering about which party harbors the worst child abusers? There are no politics at issue, just perversions. When you’re made aware of the possibility of something going on, you don’t make value judgements–you report it to the authorities and they have to investigate. What’s the matter with the power structure in DC????
Comment by Dylan — October 4, 2006 @ 9:47 am
Maybe Fox was suggesting that Foley was behaving like a democrat…
Comment by Bryan — October 4, 2006 @ 9:47 am
I’d like to point out that Monica Lewinsky was about 21 when she was an intern….We’re talking about 16 year old boys here. It’s not the same thing. It’s obvious that FOX intentionally did this as well. If not, the corrected one would have an R for Republican. Rather than correct it, they just removed his party affiliation completely! So much for Fair and Balanced!
Comment by Clint — October 4, 2006 @ 9:47 am
Yes, the FBI, FOX and others “sat” on the emails for over a year. Why? Because the EMAILS WERE NOT SALACIOUS ! It was the IM CHAT Logs that contained the bad stuff. Can’t you INTERNET SAVY geniuses tell the difference between EMAIL and Instant Messages???
Comment by withaclue — October 4, 2006 @ 9:47 am
Sorry, Missy and others you cannot compare. These are apples and oranges. Compare a bj to seducing and knowingly offering alcohol to underage kids?? Hello? What is wrong with people? At least the bj was consenting by both as ADULTS. That’s not to say it’s right, but not comparable. Compare entering a rehab from Kennedy to Foley? Well at least Kennedy had a real problem and was not pretending to use it to cover his a**. He also said he was molested as a teen and somehow that provides a basis for his behavior. So what??? I am so sick to death of people saying being molested is justification for doing it to others. PUt him away and throw away the key and those who knew he was doing it and let it go as well.
Comment by Sue — October 4, 2006 @ 9:48 am
And I thought it was bad that my local paper called him “Tom” Foley, former Democratic Speaker of the House.
Comment by The Pine Blogger — October 4, 2006 @ 9:48 am
If it were any other news channel I might think it was an error but not with Fox, I think it was intentional
Comment by Dale Dickerson — October 4, 2006 @ 9:49 am
Anyone who thinks this was an ‘accident’ is fooling themselves. FNC would love to have had this be a Democrat. Fair and Balanced! LOL
Comment by Snook — October 4, 2006 @ 9:49 am
Patrick Kennedy was not soliciting sex from and underage page. Clinton bj was between two consenting adults. Why can’t you guys see the difference here? I guess you are not a parent, if you were I think you’d see a 50 something in a powerfull position seducing a teenager is just plain bizarre.
Comment by Cindy — October 4, 2006 @ 9:50 am
Emails? This story is about Instant Messages, not emails. The emails were known by many news outlets, but weren’t considered news because they weren’t sexual. The Instant Messages are what are causing all of this, which the Democrats have known about for months, but sat on til the last day of the congressional session. Get your stories straight.
Comment by JP — October 4, 2006 @ 9:51 am
The difference is Kennedy wasn’t trying to poke young boys in the ass, got caught and came up with some lame excuse about alcohol abuse. Last I check booze doesn’t turn you into a homosexual who lusts after young boys. Clinton at least know that he is suppose to get blown by girls and not boys, is it not amazing how much the right wing hates homos but they are always doing all this gay stuff, I think you are all closet homos and you hate yourselves for it.
You right wing zombies are a real sick bunch, can’t wait to see how you act when you are out of power, maybe you will go back to blowing up abortion clinics and we can sweep you up as enemy combatants and send you to Gitmo for a “vacation” as Rush outs it.
Losers…
-fel
Comment by FE Lang — October 4, 2006 @ 9:52 am
Ok…just so I understand. To you RGL, a grown man propositioning underaged boys can be rationalized and justified because a person in an opposing party got BJ from a consenting adult? Or is it possible that you are more upset your party can no longer claim the moral highground and is exposed as flawed as the other? It is this kind of rabid and blind party affiliation that is poisoning the political process in America.
Comment by Jimmy — October 4, 2006 @ 9:52 am
Something people seem to forget, the difference between facts and hear-say. The reason the FBI and “other” authorities didn’t do anything is initially it was just hear-say and speculation. You can’t just smear someone with innuendo. Remember innocent until proven guilty. You have to have evidence to charge some one. How would you like to be charged with something based on hear-say and no facts to back it up, then your name is ruined and there is nothing you can do about it. Now that it is show he was messing with pages, he had to go. But it was just IM and emails, nothing physical, so no laws broken. The guy is sick, but not guilty of a crime.
Comment by foxwatcher — October 4, 2006 @ 9:53 am
See…Fair and Balanced. One day they call Foley a Republican and one day they call him a Democrat.
But I hear FauxNews sat on the story until ABC News
exposed this guy…I wonder why? Do you think they
didn’t want the Republican Florida voters to know
that this Conservative defined “Family Values” with
hot sixteen year old boys with their pants down?
Comment by phil davis — October 4, 2006 @ 9:53 am
Something people seem to forget, the difference between facts and hear-say. The reason the FBI and “other” authorities didn’t do anything is initially it was just hear-say and speculation. You can’t just smear someone with innuendo. Remember innocent until proven guilty. You have to have evidence to charge some one. How would you like to be charged with something based on hear-say and no facts to back it up, then your name is ruined and there is nothing you can do about it. Now that it is show he was messing with pages, he had to go. But it was just IM and emails, nothing physical, so no laws broken. The guy is sick, but not guilty of a crime.
Comment by foxwatcher — October 4, 2006 @ 9:54 am
This is no slip up. Typical Fox news propaganda technique. This tactic confuses the public and affords Republicans a chance to get a few extra votes that make a crucial difference.
Comment by dave — October 4, 2006 @ 9:54 am
Maybe it wasn’t an error…. The republicans don’t want to be associated with this dirtbag so FOX makes him a democrat.
Comment by gerry — October 4, 2006 @ 9:54 am
They did it long enough to create an impression with their idiot viewers and then didn’t really correct it, just eliminated it. They should be shut down for their purposeful lying and manipulation of an ignorant, gullible public.
Comment by petey — October 4, 2006 @ 9:55 am
the explanation was for all those jumping to conclusions is the parents of the boy requested it not be made public and unlike some news organizations, when a request is made and good reason is given, the story is held. Also, so far it was just the emails that were known and nothing sexual was in them, some inappropriate requests of a 16 yr old boy where made in them…but nothing of a sexual nature, do you all listen and read the story, or do u just skim through it? I’m glad they Dems finally agree that it’s inappropriate for a person in power not to have any kind of sexual relationship with a page, intern, or a subordinate of any age for that matter. Will they hold one of their own accountable, finally, i doubt it. Time will tell
Comment by william — October 4, 2006 @ 9:55 am
Kennedy story “swept under the rug”? Are you kidding me? That story was HUGE when it happened. Then he went into rehab, and it eventually went away. Which is exactly what Foley is doing. Take your partisan blindfolds off.
Comment by fm — October 4, 2006 @ 9:56 am
Umm….so??
Comment by Icepuck — October 4, 2006 @ 9:57 am
It’s amazing that some Republicans are trying to act like this is on the same level as what happened to Kennedy. Come on guys, when we’re wrong we’re wrong- and unfortunately it was a Republican that was a pedophile here. We can’t compare that to driving under the influence.
Comment by Marc — October 4, 2006 @ 9:58 am
It was probably intentional. This liberal boogie man phase is about wear out.
Oh, BTW. You’re on Drudge Reprt.
Comment by Nolff — October 4, 2006 @ 9:58 am
Fox always plays games like this and they are obviously pro-republican which is why I don’t watch them. Foley preyed on UNDERAGE BOYS and he should pay for that, end of story. Try to focus on the fact that he was caught and hopefully will be charged, not his party afiliation.
Comment by Allyson Hart — October 4, 2006 @ 9:58 am
I guess it’s an honest mistake when your network would confuse Mark Foley as a Democrat when in fact he’s a perverted Republican BITCH”! Hey we wouldn’t want to confuse the American public…. Right!
So many of us who live and work overseas considered the FOX NEWS Station the “Unfair & Bias, Condescending - Self Serving = Conservative” Red States, Bars & Stars, Flag Waving, Republican Hoot & Nanny Network!
Comment by Sue — October 4, 2006 @ 9:58 am
ABC’s Brian Ross admitted they had the emails back to August, 2005, but “were too busy with Katrina to deal with it.”..Let’s not just indict FOX…
Comment by Benj — October 4, 2006 @ 9:58 am
Not exactly a correction at 11 when they don’t have a banner indicating that Foley is a Republican - at least not in the photo on this site. They can say “we fixed it” but they still achieved putting the Democrat label on this pervert for some viewers, and not explicitly labeling him Republican for the later viewers.
Comment by RHB — October 4, 2006 @ 9:58 am
Fox always plays games like this and they are obviously pro-republican which is why I don’t watch them. Foley preyed on UNDERAGE BOYS and he should pay for that, end of story. Try to focus on the fact that he was caught and hopefully will be charged, not his party afiliation.
Comment by Allyson Hart — October 4, 2006 @ 9:59 am
Anyone that makes this a parisan issue is a creep. Anyone that compares what happened with Patrick Kennedy or Lewinski and Clinton should probably have their hard drive investigated. Any news source that sat on this story has no credibility. Fair and balanced my ass! FOX here no evil see no evil when republicans are involved, and that my friends is as partisan as it gets.
Comment by josh menkes — October 4, 2006 @ 9:59 am
Fox always plays games like this and they are obviously pro-republican which is why I don’t watch them. Foley preyed on UNDERAGE BOYS and he should pay for that, end of story. Try to focus on the fact that he was caught and hopefully will be charged, not his party afiliation.
Comment by Allyson Hart — October 4, 2006 @ 9:59 am
Patrick Kennedy had an automobile accident. How can that compare to Foley’s actions. Those who continuously look for bogus reasons to support Foley are hurting their cause even more.
Comment by Kevin — October 4, 2006 @ 9:59 am
Terance, It looks now that the Dems are using this story to gain a seat instead of looking out for the child. Just look back a few years when it was a Democrat who DID HAVE SEX with an underage page male page. Guess what, he did not resign in shame he was re-elected. I guess you know where the Democratic party really stands when they did not speak out against Stubbs.
Comment by Dan — October 4, 2006 @ 10:00 am
RGL, Wow what country do you live in? A BJ from a woman of age is a much greater offence than some 50 year oldPEDOPHILE peddling his power to try lure these naive high school kids ??? Good to know the people in power have our children ’s best interest in mind!
Comment by odara — October 4, 2006 @ 10:00 am
Fox always plays games like this and they are obviously pro-republican which is why I don’t watch them. Foley preyed on UNDERAGE BOYS and he should pay for that, end of story. Try to focus on the fact that he was caught and hopefully will be charged, not his party afiliation.
Comment by Allyson Hart — October 4, 2006 @ 10:00 am
How could anyone call what Clinton did a worse offence? Clinton was an adult with a “22″ year old consenting adult. This was a man in his sixtys hitting on under age boys. I read these emails and afterward needed a shower to wash off the filth. They were protecting the party and the money not the children.
Comment by Joanne — October 4, 2006 @ 10:00 am
What the guy did is disgusting. The timing of this is purly political. Its a shame abc news had this for months and months but waited. I guess the liberal lobbyists got to them. I hate living in a nation with over 75% liberal news. The last stand of conservitive news is FNC, and you blood hungry fools want to burn them down. Shame on you
Comment by andrew — October 4, 2006 @ 10:02 am
Fox news is the Enabler of sexual predators, not a protector!
Comment by Mr geen jeans — October 4, 2006 @ 10:02 am
How can you compare Patrick Kennedy’s automobile accident with Foley’s actions? That is simply ridiculous.
Comment by Kevin — October 4, 2006 @ 10:02 am
A couple things.
RGL … “Temper tantrums?” Don’t use terms to belittle anyone, that’s not productive and not the point . I don’t care what affiliation Foley has, the man is a slug and people have every right to be upset.
Steve … good call. Sex Chats w/ underage boys vs. a BJ, the latter is hardly ‘graver.’
Missy … ok, so OTHERS sat on the story as well, they’re just as guilty, but since this post is about FNC, it’s only natural to bring them up first. Don’t make it an attack, it’s just context.
Comment by Ricky Shade — October 4, 2006 @ 10:03 am
Here we go again! Darn those wrascally repubwicans and there vast right wing conspiracy
Comment by Importerman — October 4, 2006 @ 10:03 am
This is how bad the polarization has gotten: ‘Sex between adults is considered worse than soliciting sex from a minor!’, for party reasons. The great legacy of this administration will be the complete divide between people, based solely on party affiliation. Anything good for ALL the people is now gone forever. Thank you, Mr. Bush….
George
Comment by George Pole — October 4, 2006 @ 10:03 am
I’m ammused by the fact that FOX would identify party affiliation when it’s a Democrat, but would leave the public guessing if it where a Republican. I am more concerned that someone would think that having illicit sex with an adult is more horrific than pursuing children for sexual gratification. Our society really has become to mirror the fall of the Roman Empire.
Comment by mcb — October 4, 2006 @ 10:03 am
Resign Speaker! Do it now and show we are serious about cleaning house and mending this party and country!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Dave — October 4, 2006 @ 10:03 am
This is incorrect! Fox DID NOT correct the error. It appeared 3 times. Some say that O’reilly even hyped the fact that Foley and homosexuality is associated with Democrats and not family-values Republicans. Even spokesman on the GOP side, family values supporters like Matthew Drudge and Kenneth Mehlman view Foley’s lifestyle choice as despicable. Drudge and Mehlman are seen as GOP leaders and role models to be looked up to for talking points by young Republicans, yet their single status shows a desire towards future marriage while remaining chaste and work focused. The sick Libs cannot defame role models such as Rush who is a serious Christian and single man yet visited the Dominican Republic for sightseeing and different archeological artifacts. We must remain true to family values and monagamy by those who cherish the sanctity of marriage (only one time) like Mr. Limbaugh and others. To do otherwise would be a major sin and even some would say embracing the Devil.
Comment by Chad — October 4, 2006 @ 10:04 am
Why is it that the Republicans always have to step down every time one is pressured by the media and dems? I still see a number of dems (past and present) that still remained in place, including the ex-prez.
Comment by Patricia — October 4, 2006 @ 10:04 am
I don’t believe it was a mistake. Despite their claims, Fox News is a Republican-promoting network, completely ignorant of all the problems that are plaguing the Republicans. “Mistakenly” labeling former Congressman Mark Foley as a Democrat? What a cheap shot. I’m sure if this happened to a Democrat, that so-called “mistake” wouldn’t have been made. Fox News is “Fair, balanced, objective?” What a bunch of bull. Say ‘no’ to Fox News.
Comment by TimeForAChange — October 4, 2006 @ 10:04 am
Lying about having sex in the white house is worse than talking to a teenage boy about his erect penis? Now that is Pretzel Logic. What would you say if this was Clinton? You would be talking about how terrible it is. Forget party lines. This guy is a sick SOB, lock him up. END OF STORY…..that is unless they covered it up. Which, they then will find out what Nixon found out the hard way. The coverup is sometimes worse than the scandal.
Comment by What? — October 4, 2006 @ 10:06 am
From what I’ve read, FNC and the newspapers all sat on it because they only had the emails which if you’ve seen them, were pretty lame. Not much of a story there if you ask me until the IM’s came out.
Comment by Joe — October 4, 2006 @ 10:06 am
Should this be any surprise by anyone? Fox News is a bastion of conservative rhetoric and would like nothing better than to minimize the effect of this scandal to the Republican party in November. Further, this new information about Foley being abused by clergy as a youth is a load of garbage. I was abused by clergy as a teenager and I am also gay. I DO NOT seek to have sexual encounters with teenage boys, and it offends me that he would draw that parallel as if it were some kind of excuse for his repugnant behavior. He and ALL lawmakers, law enforcement agencies, and media outlets who sat on this informations to protect political agendas should be called into strict accountability.
Comment by Outraged — October 4, 2006 @ 10:07 am
I don’t understand why FOX “corrected” the error by removing party affiliation rather than by replacing the D with an R. Anyone have any ideas?
Comment by Marshall — October 4, 2006 @ 10:09 am
Yeah right “OOPS”! Fox News might as well be renamed “The White House/Republican Network”. It appears to me to be a clever way of making ignorant people think that Foley is a Democrat so that it gives Republicans some what of a chance in November of keeping their seats by putting a sicko on the “enemy’s” team.
The problem is it just might work.
I agree with Terance. The Republican Network just playing word games….. sickening.
Comment by Bixler — October 4, 2006 @ 10:09 am
You guys are SO right! The MSM sweeps the Kennedy story under the rug and has covered this one for almost a week now! Apparently those evil Dems don’t think that driving under the influence is the same as pedophilia. Just another example that they do not share our high moral standard.
Comment by MS OC — October 4, 2006 @ 10:10 am
so a grown man getting oral sex from a grown woman is a “much graver offence” then a 50 year old man asking trying to fk a young boy??? are you mentally retarded?
Comment by wow — October 4, 2006 @ 10:10 am
Did FOX really make an “error”, or was it intentional?
Comment by jay — October 4, 2006 @ 10:10 am
after fixing the “mistake”, rather than changing the “D” to an “R” they removed it altogether so they won’t have to associate pedophilia and republicans. No agenda there whatsoever……….
Comment by bob — October 4, 2006 @ 10:10 am
Foley is NOT a pedophile. The sick thing is that the Democratic Party is the one that embraces homosexuality and other perversions. As a life-long Republican, I look towards Matthew Drudge, Kenneth Mehlman, and others as leaders in the GOP and point men for talking points. They are single and chaste men waiting to marry Christian woman. It is ludicrous to think there are boy lovers in the Republican Party. What angers me the most are the defamatory claims by traitorous Democrats that Mr. Limbaugh, a single serious Christian role model, sought to visit the Dominican Republic for anything other than it’s profound archeological sites. God said that marriage is until “death do us part” and people like Rush or Gingrich would never break that sacred vow - even once. Yet Democrats don’t respect the sanctity of marriage. That is why GOP leaders like Drudge and Mehlman are waiting for the right virtuous woman.
Comment by Chad — October 4, 2006 @ 10:10 am
Sorry, RGL, but your whining about Patrick Kennedy doesn’t wash. Maybe you forgot, but he ACTUALLY HAD a substance abuse problem. Foley’s just making an excuse - and a pathetic one at that.
I wanna know what Fox News’ excuse for doing this is. You know it’s the second time in two days they’ve made the same “mistake.” What idiot really believes it was a mistake, anyway?
Everyone in this side of North Korea knows Foley was a Republican - the larger part of the scandal is that REPUBLICANS covered up for him.
Labelling Foley as a Democrat is not a “mistake.” It’s QUITE deliberate.
Comment by dlx — October 4, 2006 @ 10:10 am
Funny, but I don’t recall Patrick Kennedy having an interest in young boys. Also, there was no coverup.
I find it very curious that you would try and equate his drinking problem to something as serious as this.
What will King George do (WWKGD)?
Comment by Dan — October 4, 2006 @ 10:11 am
According to Democrats and Liberals, its just about sex and what people do behind closed doors is their business. Wait its a Republican, kick him out!! Hasert must resign. The Liberal hyprocisy strikes again.
Comment by Tim — October 4, 2006 @ 10:11 am
I agree with you terance. FNC has some explaining to do. I think they sould get hannity or o’rielly to backpeddle this. or o’rielly could just tell everyone to shut up about it.
Comment by Nathan — October 4, 2006 @ 10:11 am
You guys are SO right! The MSM sweeps the Kennedy story under the rug and has covered this one for almost a week now! Apparently those evil Dems don’t think that driving under the influence is the same as pedophilia. Just another example that they do not share our high moral standards.
Comment by MS OC — October 4, 2006 @ 10:11 am
Ridiculous…commentors on this post coming from Drudge equating a child sex-offender with a DUI and a consensual BJ. Ridiculous. Shame on your non-logic.
Comment by Ross — October 4, 2006 @ 10:11 am
The e-mails weren’t sexual, just a but too friendly. It was the IMs the newspapers and Fox, and apparently the Republican leadership, didn;t see that were sexual and just came out.
The age of consent, apparently, in Washington and VA is 16. So, he could have had sex with these kids and not been charged with a crime as they are not underage there.
He may have violated the internet act he helpped pass, though MSNBC has a story on why that may not be true either, without some action between him and the boys.
It is really sick that these guys cannot seem to control themselves around people who are their subordinates. This is not the first page (or intern) scandal unfortunately.
Comment by Rob — October 4, 2006 @ 10:11 am
If Foley were a Democrat, Pelosi would be screaming “homophobia!” from the rooftops.
Comment by Tony — October 4, 2006 @ 10:12 am
And like that it was an accident that they had Foley labeled as a Dem on O’Reilly’s show.
Comment by Dave — October 4, 2006 @ 10:13 am
If the FBI had chose to pursue it then I am sure that all of the media would have been covering it. If any of the other media outlets chose to go after it early and there was nothing to it they would have been accused of “gay bashing”.
Comment by Rich — October 4, 2006 @ 10:13 am
As a republican, a BJ is not worse than hitting on young boys.
However, Clinton should have been thrown out/drug across hot coals for his rampant corruption (white water, democratic fundraising to start), sexual harassment, gutting the military, treating air force 1 as a personal vacation airline for friends, family, donors, vandalizing the white house, stealing from airforce 1, and for making israel release a 9/11 hijacker in custody.
Comment by Rizzle — October 4, 2006 @ 10:13 am
Do you guys not even read the news? They sat on the story because the parents didn’t want it getting out. They wanted to protect their son. And the e-mails weren’t explicit. Inappropriate, yes. But asking when someone’s birthday is and asking for a picture is not the same as asking for a BJ. It’s funny how the MSM doesn’t distinguish between e-mail and IM. The e-mails were not lurid — the IMs definitely were. The e-mails were known about, the parents were contacted, and for the sake of the boy they wanted to keep it quiet. And Foley promised he’d stop. Then we find out about the IMs a few days ago and it’s clear that Foley lied. But apparently to Democrats, lying about sex isn’t supposed to be a big deal — so what’s with all the phony outrage?
Comment by David — October 4, 2006 @ 10:13 am
Don’t fall for the trick. Democrats and their buddies in the media are trying to make you think the sordid Instant Messages and overly friendly e-mails are the same. They are not the same. They are as different as Democrats and Republicans.
Comment by James A. Webster — October 4, 2006 @ 10:14 am
Its both funny and sad that FNC is even considered a news outlet. At this point, cant we just call them the PR firm of the repubican party and get it over with.
Comment by Scott — October 4, 2006 @ 10:15 am
I think the important thing to remember is that there were some reasonably prudent news judgment reasons to sit on this story. Look at it from the producer’s seat. You’re handed what purport to be e-mails detailing gross misconduct. If these e-mails turn out to be false, you’ll have been a party to a massive libel. (And a year ago was right around CBS’ little authenticity problem, wasn’t it? Seems like it would be on the minds of the legal departments, too.) So what do you do in a situation when you have an alleged crime and you hear the FBI is investigating it? You wait until the charges so you can report from the charging documents. Ultimately it didn’t play out that way, but sitting on the story might have been nothing more than legally prudent for anyone involved.
Comment by Adam — October 4, 2006 @ 10:16 am
@Terance:
Right…FNC sits on a story and it’s bad! Other news outlets sit on a story, and you dismiss it? I thought double-standards were a bad thing.
Comment by Dukrous — October 4, 2006 @ 10:17 am
Not to tone down what a sleaze Foley is, but the emails were to a 16 year old, that’s the age of consent in DC. If not, then maybe Democrat Studds would have been arrested for actually having sex with a 17 year old male page. Lucky for him he represented Massachusetts, where people like him and Barney Franks (male prostitution service run out of his town house) and Ted Kennedy (the river incident) can get reelected.
Comment by Jim — October 4, 2006 @ 10:17 am
fox news “THEY HATE FREEDOM”
Comment by isaiah jefferson sr. — October 4, 2006 @ 10:18 am
The whole system sucks. I will vote this year and in 08 but I might just vote for a third party or write in Mickey Mouse. I say let the Democrats have it all. They will appease our enemies and when we get attacked again but with more devastating results then maybe we will get people with character and the WWII mind set to represent us.
Foley should be shot if guilty. What an idiot. The Republicans are just tossing this thing away. It’s kind of like my Detroit Tigers in the final stretch of the season. They just laid down and gave away the division title…
Screw’em all. I say let Nancy Pelosi run the show. That will solve everything.
Comment by Mike — October 4, 2006 @ 10:20 am
Obviously a sick disturbed person such as Foley should be out of office. And since he was republican I will vote democratic from now on. I won’t care about lower taxes, abortion of 1 out of 4 pregnancies and certainly I will stop caring about the war against terrorists wanting to kill me because I don’t worship mohammad. FNC is evil ABC, CBS, NBC are good. Oh how I miss the good old days of real fair and balanced reporting by Dan Rather.
Comment by Matt — October 4, 2006 @ 10:21 am
Terrance, There’s a difference between staying on topic, and simply omitting relevant information. You’re guilty of the latter. How is anyone here supposed to know that you would have called out CNN or MSNBC? Next time present all the facts… there’s a reason why this news wasn’t publicized, and it’s not to save a congressional seat.
Comment by Will — October 4, 2006 @ 10:22 am
Any way you look at it, it is morally questionable when those in positions of power make advances at less powerful/younger individuals. But mostly I think whatever legally consenting adults do with their time is up to them. If you want you can scrutinize BC ML to the heart’s content. But when older individuals, male or female, hit on minors, male or female, it is reprehensible, and potentially illegal.
Comment by Jerry — October 4, 2006 @ 10:23 am
“thinking of Patrick Kennedy. Funny, but that guy got scant attention once he went into rehab.”
That’s because CAR ACCIDENTS and drinking go together.
Internet chatroom sex and drinking do not. And if they did, was Foley drinking when he interrupted a House vote to chat with a page? He says he didn’t drink and vote. Lame excuse!
Comment by brandX — October 4, 2006 @ 10:25 am
He put himself in rehab, Via proxy he announced he was an alcoholic, announced he was gay, announced he had been victimized by the clergy. Its perfectly understandable why Fox mistakenly labeled him a Democrat.
Comment by Rodney Dill — October 4, 2006 @ 10:25 am
Come on guys, fair and balanced!
Comment by Jack — October 4, 2006 @ 10:26 am
“The age of consent, apparently, in Washington and VA is 16. So, he could have had sex with these kids”
Which is exactly what happened with Gerry Studd, D- MA. He then served another 13 years. Republicans have at least been consistent as a group, even if individuals have transgressed. Any one covering up Foley’s behavior should be punished, but watching the Democrats marching with pitchforks is just too funny.
Comment by Tim — October 4, 2006 @ 10:28 am
RGL - There is no way that an adult man and an adult woman engaging in consensual Oval Office shenanigans is even remotely comparable to a grown man putting the moves on a minor. That’s the key difference here: Clinton & Lewinsky are adults; Foley is into kids. Nice.
Comment by LM — October 4, 2006 @ 10:28 am
I read these comments and many others like them on other sites and the only thing I can conclude is that Americans have become a bunch of idiot sheep’le. Very few of you could argue your way out of a paper bag.
Comment by Jim — October 4, 2006 @ 10:29 am
I think it is funny that you sit here and bitch about all the messed up stuff going on and yet you are the ones watching these dumbass news stations. Grow a pair of balls and start thinking for yourselves. Stop watching these ridiculous news stations and quit voting for somebody just because they are R or D. Vote for somebody that actually has a brain. This country is going down the tubes because of people like you supporting the idiots we have running our country.
Comment by Jay — October 4, 2006 @ 10:31 am
How is Patrick Kennedy running into a road barricade under the influence of who-knows-what in any way comparabale to Foley preying on 16 year old boys? For those of you not old enough to remember, the press does not always sweep under the rug sex scandals involving Dems, just ask Wilbur Mills, Wayne Hayes and Gary Hart (remember “Monkey Business?”), whose political careers were all ended by sex scandals that were front page news. And sorry, but Clinton and Lewinsky were both over age 18, so as abhorrent as it was, their tryst was not “much graver” than Foley hitting on 16 year old boys. That’s a serious felony that sends you to prison for a long time.
Comment by sammy — October 4, 2006 @ 10:31 am
According to Wikipedia, Foley was a Democrat before he was a Republican. He switched parties in the 1980s because he “failed to be elected to higher political offices” until he started calling himself a Republican. We Conservatives have a name for politicians like him: “RINO”
Comment by James A. Webster — October 4, 2006 @ 10:31 am
Is this same Dennis Hastert & team who did everything in the world to preclude the ethics committee from doing it’s job regarding Delay? Never censured either Ney or Cunningham? Never informed the democrat on the panel regarding this manner? The same one who refused questions at a propaganda news conference? Besides why instruct Foley not to contact the Page if they were harmless? In short, Foley gave $700,000 to the NCC and in so doing protected him and his seat from further peril when even the Pages knew he was known as “FFF” (Fag from Florida). It is what it is and the horrid part of it is young teenagers were as the soldiers in the gulf war the ones who paid. Very sad state of affairs in our country today.
Comment by Read it and Weep — October 4, 2006 @ 10:32 am
Come on…I work in Television. Some $8/hour hit a D instead of an R..got cussed out and probably fired…..I seriously doubt it is a coverup by Fox….just poor typing
Comment by Chris Prentice — October 4, 2006 @ 10:36 am
This does not look good for Fox. I don’t care if this guys is a Republican or a Dem. The bottom line is he’s not well and should remove himself from office (like he did) and get help (like he’s doing). For what it’s worth, if Foley ever wants to resurrect his political career, we know he’s got a shot in New Jersey!
Comment by Anita Braek — October 4, 2006 @ 10:36 am
The emails WERE sexual…He tells the teenager that his male friend has a “hot body.”
Comment by Clint — October 4, 2006 @ 10:36 am
The American public needs to wake up finally and DO SOMETHING about these idiots. Throw all the Rebublican bums out and give us a new direction! What else do we have to go through to make this more apparent?!?!
Comment by Hypocrits rule — October 4, 2006 @ 10:38 am
Terance, the Miami Herald and the St. Petersburg times, the two most liberal papers in Florida, had the same information back in December last year. They had no complete knowledge, no suggestion of any “smoking gun” - just like with FNC - and the editorial discretion was not to carry the news until more information could be obtained, which was just recent. Even now, we still don’t know the full details of what happened, and it’s premature to atart pointing fingers. Unless, as we are seeing already with the hypocritical Democrats, you want to score political points.
Comment by RGL — October 4, 2006 @ 10:39 am
Where to start with the idiotic comments you guys lay out. First Clinton wasn’t impeached for infidelity, he was impeached for perjury! Second, idiots don’t watch FNC they watch Olbermann or CNN, Third, as SICK as it is… it isn’t against the law to have sx with a 16 year old in D.C., fourth, EVERYONE who is intellectually honest knows the Dems get treated by the press differently than the Republicans…Franks, Clinton, Sharpton. It is true it is because the republicans ARE the party of morals and the democrats HAVE NO morals, so it DOES appear the republicans are hypocrits. I am a firefighter, if I get caught with arson, are ALL firefighters arsonists? The democrats can’t win on issues or substance so they ALWAYS bring out THEIR October surprises. GWB dui, stolen weapons cache in Iraq, Dan rather fabricated ANG story…I would go on but I am a REPUBLICAN, and have to WORK…millions of democrats on welfare depend on me!
Comment by Jeff — October 4, 2006 @ 10:40 am
The republican leadership knew about the emails and Foley’s preditory actions toward pages for a long time. Now they claim ignorance…they didn’t know about IMs and on and on. They didn’t know because they didn’t want to know. Just like they didn’t know there were no wmd in Iraq. Republicans are good at using ignorance as an excuse aren’t they? In fact they may have perfected the art of PLEADING IGNORANT.
Comment by alex — October 4, 2006 @ 10:40 am
You demorats are a hypocritic disgrace. Whats barney frank been up to how bout clinton, or mel reynolds who clinton pardoned, do us all a favor offer something for the American people or get your useless party out of the way. Your racism and other accusations against Republicans is the only thing you got. Your a pathetic weak party.
Comment by greg — October 4, 2006 @ 10:40 am
Not like all the pictures other news outlets put out with Bush in front of a sign obscured except for the “Liar” part. All media outlets do the same stuff. demand better from them all.
Comment by scott — October 4, 2006 @ 10:42 am
“the guys and gals who would not throw out an ex-president for a much graver offense”??? Cheating on your wife is a graver offense? Or is it lying under oath in a civil lawsuit, something that we practically expect witnesses to do in their favor.
In either case, to suggest either of those amount to molesting children (doing it over the computer doesn’t change that fact) is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read. I suppose everytime someone lies under oath, certainly totalling in the thousands each day in the U.S., you think “if only a child were molested instead.” Great.
Comment by Josh — October 4, 2006 @ 10:42 am
Monica was a subordinate. She was a teenager. And Clinton lies were important because he was protecting himself from a sexual harrasment suit. He also claims he was accused of wagging the dog when it came to Bid Laden. If he did not lie in our faces (indisputable), maybe people could have believed him.
And since when does e-mails (and IM’s) of a pervert become a party affiliation. It is true one party favors less moral behavior. Homosexuality, infidelity, abortion, removal of anything religious being spoken in the public square. It also means those speaking on behalf of strong morals should hold themselves to a hire standard. Hence Foley is gone, while kennedy, his son, and so many others still remain.
Comment by Matt — October 4, 2006 @ 10:43 am
Isnt there some way to keep Republicans from harassing and molesting children?? My God, something needs to be done to keep them away from kids.
Comment by Mark galler — October 4, 2006 @ 10:44 am
The person writing the caption probably thought these things only happen to the Democrats, which is usually true. They should make sure, because Fox is a target and will be taken to task, as we have been seeing lately!!
Comment by Rita Nelson — October 4, 2006 @ 10:46 am
FOX just simply lies. Hannity was claiming that Monica Lewinsky was a “19 year old teenager” the other day. When history will show she was 22 years old.
It’s OK though.
George W. Bush and Deadeye Dick Cheney are going to fundraise for the Republican Don “The Strangler” Sherwood who recently had an affair on his wife with a woman 30 years his junior and ended up settling a lawsuit by her after she alleged he tried to “choke” her.
How come we never hear anything about Jeff Gannon, the male prostitute who was given a media pass and free run of the Whitehouse in order to ask “softball” questions at press conferences.
What about Claude Allen, Bush’s policy adviser who was arrested for theft from Target. When he was caugh he claimed that he was traumatized by Hurricane Katrina and that made him shoplift….
A fish rots from the head down and Chimpy is a little stinky these days.
-GSD
Comment by GSD — October 4, 2006 @ 10:47 am
PERJURY, not Oral Sex, was the grounds on which Clinton was impeached. He finsished his term.
Comment by Tom — October 4, 2006 @ 10:48 am
GOP: The man-boy love party
Comment by Hardy Har — October 4, 2006 @ 10:48 am
It is true it is because the republicans ARE the party of morals and the democrats HAVE NO morals, so it DOES appear the republicans are hypocrits. I am a firefighter, if I get caught with arson, are ALL firefighters arsonists? The democrats can’t win on issues or substance so they ALWAYS bring out THEIR October surprises. GWB dui, stolen weapons cache in Iraq, Dan rather fabricated ANG story…I would go on but I am a REPUBLICAN, and have to WORK…millions of democrats on welfare depend on me!
Comment by Jeff — October 4, 2006 @ 10:40 am
Good one JEFF! The Repubs the party of morals?? The list of the children they’ve been caught molesting is a mile long.
Just because they talk about morality whenever they get the chance doesnt make them moral, it just makes them even more disgusting when theyre caught doing what they do.
But Jeff, keep drinking the kool-aid the R’s are handing out, it makes you a good lil follower.
Comment by Mark G — October 4, 2006 @ 10:49 am
I stopped reading the comments after a while, but is the D next to Foley’s name any worse then the X that showed up on Chaney’s face during a speech?
Comment by Jason — October 4, 2006 @ 10:50 am
For everyone who doesn’t think is politcs from the Dem’s google this. Democratic Rep. Gerry Studds of Massachusetts. He actually did have sex with an underage page, and rejected the censure and served until 1996. Not to mention Rep. Barney Frank who admitted he’d lived with Steve Gobie, a male prostitute who ran a gay sex-for-hire ring out of Frank’s apartment. Then there was Clinton. Now being an independent I’d like to belive it’s just politics. The Dem’s were getting beat up in the poles so this was their weapon. Also don’t think the Dem leadership didn’t know anything about this. The leadership on both sides did nothing about this until it became a political weapon. Chew on that. I’d like Mr. O’Reilly do dig into this.
Comment by Logan — October 4, 2006 @ 10:50 am
I am confused. A “clerk” at Foxnews messed up and typed the wrong letter on live tv. They removed the mistake from tape/digital play back. A mistake corrected.
But, so many here suggest that identifing Foley as a Democrat changes what he did, and how voters will view his actions? Are these people upset about the ‘D-Fl’ implying the IF Foley were a Democrat his actions are accetible? I hope not.
Comment by Joseph — October 4, 2006 @ 10:50 am
Something must be right…
CABLE NEWS RACE
MON., OCT. 2, 2006
VIEWERS
FOXNEWS O’REILLY 1,990,000
CNN LARRY KING 1,520,000
FNC SHEP SMITH 1,492,000
FNC HANNITY/COLMES 1,490,000
FNC GRETA 1,478,000
FNC BRIT HUME 1,388,000
Comment by Mark — October 4, 2006 @ 10:50 am
No matter how you look at it folks, it is drawing our attention away from what we need to be concerned with. Just like most of the drama played out in our media, “they” want to keep our focus off of the war, away from our children that are sparing their lives so we can spend time typing to forums like these. Imagine if we spent as much time focusing our energys on demanding the government release the videotape of the missile hitting the pentagon, and focusing on demanding that Congress move forward to bring our troops home. We are a bunch of talkers, and doers we are not. What is that last thing you did that will actual change this world? A ripple in the wave of conformity that we all wade in while we suck up the riches of our mother earth and squeeze our waste back into her veins. Unless we make change, we will consume our planet and soon ourselves. Stand up and make a change. This is my day of a new beginning, no more talk, it’s time to do!!
Comment by Sean — October 4, 2006 @ 10:51 am
Joseph, the point is that in this time of voting, FOX wants our focus of negativity to be pointed only at the big D, not the big T…TRUTH
Comment by Sean — October 4, 2006 @ 10:53 am
It is SO much fun watching these Republicans scramble, desperate to defend a pedophile! Have you NO shame?
Comment by James — October 4, 2006 @ 10:53 am
The reason he was labeled as Democrat is that he is using the “Democratic - I’m the victim here..’ routine. Just giving more reasons he should have known better.
Comment by Rick — October 4, 2006 @ 10:54 am
Sorry JR but your statement “the GOP spent millions upon millions to try impeach Clinton for infidelity” is not true. He was impeached for perjury (lying in front of a grand jury). Democrats keep repeating the same old lies!
Comment by DV — October 4, 2006 @ 10:55 am
What does it matter whether he was labeled as a Democrat or Republican? Regardless, he carries the ‘one’ label that says it all - POLITICIAN. What does this mean? It means he can be overpayed, underworked & not be subject to any laws or norms within our society (which he may have helped legislate).
Comment by Brian — October 4, 2006 @ 10:56 am
Per JEFF: “Third, as SICK as it is… it isn’t against the law to have sx with a 16 year old in D.C., fourth, EVERYONE who is intellectually honest knows the Dems get treated by the press differently than the Republicans”
ANOTHER defense that this was OK!?!? It’s legal to have sex with a 16 year old in DC? So then it must be a blown up news story, right??? And you are correct, Democrats are treated differently than Repubicans. We had 8 years of wasted money and countless news coverage trying to get rid of Clinton for cow trades, sex stains on dresses (how dare he lie to us that way) etc… but yet Bush gets a green light into Iraq, lying straight to our face that we were about to get nuked any minute, did NOTHING the 8 months he was in office prior to 9/11 to prevent it (again all Clinton’s fault I’m sure), Condi was just caught in yet another lie about receiving warning during the summer of 2001 which I’m sure you wouldn’t hear about on Fox, etc. etc. but yet the media gives them a free pass. I’d say our priorities are messed up if a stained dress means more than the billions of wasted dollars in Iraq and the countless lives that have been lost, all in the name of freedom. Give me a break. Fox and the Republicans do not own the American flag. I’m sickened by more than this Foley coverup, and perhaps common sense will prevail this November.
Comment by Hypocrits rule — October 4, 2006 @ 10:56 am
This is funny funny crap! I love that Fox “messed” up his party identity. Just remember all the news agencies that would picture Bush with negative images or words in the background acting innocent; like they did not mean to do it. The homoFOLEY was a democrat when he started out (which everyone would expect this type of behavior from that party) and if he had not been from liberal florida, republicans would not have voted this loser in office. I am glad sir boy-love-a-lot is gone. Any more planted freaks in our party from dems?..get on out! Oh yeah, forgot to mention to the democrats that they have this new program in Canada where if you move there you are entitled to free houses, land and massages….you just have to move there first. Go see!
Comment by Jeff — October 4, 2006 @ 10:56 am
Is homosexuality now a crime? Are any of you bashers aware that in DC the “age of consent” is 16? Put the two together and why exactly are Democrats “outraged!” ???? Oh yeah, it is the abuse of power aspect - which BJ Bill did IN THE OVAL OFFICE with an intern!!! The hypocracy is overwhelming at time…
Comment by Chris — October 4, 2006 @ 10:56 am
This is for The members of BOTH the Democrat & Republican Partier! Let’s have a Full Criminal Invetsigation! If These people who kept these e-mails under wraps until the November Election think they will get Political advantage over this, Think About This! There are 4 Felony Charges involved! (1) Aiding & Abetting A Crime, (2) Conspiracy, (3) Obstructing Justice, & (4) Child Endangerment. So, if anyone (U.S. Congressman, U.S. Senator, and/or Reporter) knew about these e-mails and held back these e-mails, GOD HELP YOU BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE WILL! So, let find out Who Knew What! Maybe we can all CLEAN OUT CONGRESS!
Comment by Raymond A. Collier — October 4, 2006 @ 10:58 am
This is what a freight train on a dirt road looks like. Noise, fury, smoke and very little forward motion. Forget about Foley himself for minute, I enjoyed the GOP response by bringing out every Dem issue they could grab, from Clinton Stebbs. How are they relevant?
The issue is till the same, what did they know and when did they know it? Let the accountability begin for trying to preserve party voting strength over normal decency, and in this case, protecting a major perv.
It looks like the wheels are coming off the Republican leadership and their agenda. Someone show me some leadership fromm either party rather than this disgusting display of party politics.
Comment by Jack / Chicago — October 4, 2006 @ 10:58 am
does anyone want to talk about real issues?
Who will let the tax breaks expire and trerby increase our taxes?
Who will appoint activist judges?
Who will promote a culture of death - abortion, assisted suicide, etc
who will pull the troops from Iraq? will that encourage or discourage our enemies?
who will promote race based incentives (eg getting into college)? - as opposed to earning the way.
Who will offer a fish to eat (your fish by the way) instead of teaching those who are hungry to fish?
I would bring up spending but both parties fail on that one - ofcourse one party says the right thing.
Who want to secure our borders?
Who wants to allow fellons the right to vote (and protect our ports - thanks unions).
How about talking what is really important?
Comment by Matt — October 4, 2006 @ 10:59 am
I just want to know where all the people that were defending Deborah Lafave sit on this issue. Those people defended her right to have sex with a younger male child, so in theory what Rep. Foley did is not even anywhere near as wrong either morally nor criminally
I personally believed that Deborah Lafave should’ve went to prison however the judge did not believe so and she got house arrest.
I seem to recall numerous democrat’s and even some republican’s coming out in defense of Lafave, saying that it was consensual contact, which appears at least to be the case in the Foley case.
Comment by DTW — October 4, 2006 @ 10:59 am
Everybody calls Fox transparent….remember the big black X over Cheney’s face on CNN. Remember the pictures of George W. Bush on NBC with the background turned so perfectly as to say “Liar” directly next to his head. This isn’t anything bigger then those two events, so if it was just a mistake then, why is it somekind of public manipulation now?
Comment by CS — October 4, 2006 @ 10:59 am
Sean, you believe voters would vote for Foley know his outrageous behavior only because he is a Democrat, but would vote against him because he is a Republican?
I thing voters in his district care more about the terrible things Foley did, and not his party affiliation. I guess you believe voters care more about party affilation — Democrat — than the person who behind the label.
And, for all, I am a life long Democrat.
Comment by Joseph — October 4, 2006 @ 11:00 am
If anyone in the world of new knew about it, you can bet both sides (both D and R) knew about it. They know everything the news is or may run on them. That means, not only shame on R, but shame on D as well. It also means that the D were saving it for a time closer to election time.
Comment by Rob — October 4, 2006 @ 11:01 am
The ebb and flow of politics has once again reared its invisible hand.
Comment by Chris C — October 4, 2006 @ 11:01 am
Democrats should say nothing for Foley is the real victim
Comment by boba luka — October 4, 2006 @ 11:01 am
Matt, who will educate our children and teach them to spell?
Comment by Hardy Har — October 4, 2006 @ 11:03 am
why must certain people post derogatory statements backed by ignorance and presuppositions that have no grounding in reality? those of you who comment on fox news regarding their knowledge of “the emails” don’t say anything about the contents of said emails and how they might possibly lead to anyone to the conclusions that have come about. Others groups had those same emails and they apparently believed that nothing was there to indict this moron, as well. hindsight always makes somebody an expert, eh? regarding foley, everyone with any level of brainpower and moral sense will come to the conclusion that he is a perverted, disgusting hypocrite. Placing that same judgement (hypocrisy) onto the rest of the Republicans is an extremely sophmoric way to view the situation. Hypocrites are in every sphere of politics, that should be obvious by now. Now, as far as the FOX error, was it a typo (they do happen) or adeliberate misleading description? Yes, it is very suspicious, but it is obvious those that are jumping on FOX and their sneaky ways are those that have a bias and not a purely objective perspective
Comment by luke — October 4, 2006 @ 11:03 am
Anyone, Foley, Clinton, Frank, Renyolds, Studds et al be they dems or reps should be held to a higher standard. The only difference I see is when a rep does it they admit it and resign and the press hangs them out to dry, when a dem does it they sweep it under a rug and pardon and forgive. Power corrupts and we as citizens pointing fingers back and forth and each other need to hold our representitives to that higher standered. Bad people are born of corruption and the label can be D or R.
Comment by phil — October 4, 2006 @ 11:04 am
Funny how the debate seems to be about sex between two “adults” and sex between a preditor and a boy. I hope all of you Dems out there send your daughter to be an intern and she is taken advantage of the Monica was. We’ll see how you react then to “sex between two adults.” Foley is the scum of the earth. He will be locked up and we should throw away the key. There in lies the difference between the parties. One party defends the indefensible and the other party does the “right” thing. The GOP got rid of the bastard. Please don’t say that this is a problem with the GOP. It is not. It’s not right wing or left wing. It is a problem about a sick man. Who, by the way, is no longer part of our political system. He resigned, it’s over. Unless you want to make a sad situation political, drop it.
As for Slick Willy, the libs defended him. His act, where it isn’t as sick as Foley’s, is still disturbing. It should not have been defended. After defending Bill, how can you not defend this scumbag?
I can’t wait for 2007. The first item of business the Congress will take up is the Instant Messaging Child Protection Act. Oh, how I missed the days of meaningless legislation. Can we repeal my tax cuts, too? Spend, spend, spend, spend. Hey, Dems, be careful what you say. Foley has “come out.” That meaningless Hate Crime Legislation pushed through years ago includes sick, gay, ex-GOP congressman too.
Comment by sd — October 4, 2006 @ 11:04 am
Apparently the Republicans need to fake people out, so they label Foley A Dem.
Only the less witted that watch FoxNews will be fooled. I am NOT a Democrat, but it’s obvious to me that Foley is aware of his guilt and that this will hurt the Republican party. Will they blame this on 9/11 as well? Did 9/11 make Foley do this or is it an Al Qaeda ploy?
They will scratch at anything to try and pawn it off.
Both sides of the aisle need to answer for this.
Comment by joezz — October 4, 2006 @ 11:05 am
It’s the hypocracy. Those of us in the Democratic Party don’t care if our congressmen wear high heels and garters on the House floor. We’re not the ones pretending to be the party of “family values,” or crusading against gay marriage, or pandering to right-wing Christians. This whole issue shows you how hollow GOP pretensions to faith and values actually are. They’re using you, my evangelical brethren. They don’t care about you. They just want your vote, so they can keep their money and power.
Comment by El Ojo — October 4, 2006 @ 11:07 am
not me. I went to public school. Maybe more $ would have helped me study more:)
Comment by Matt — October 4, 2006 @ 11:07 am
The Foley story was sat on by the repubs so it could be used as a distraction when a more serious story came out. Kind of like putting out an oil well fire with dynamite. Think about it.. which is a more serious concern to the american people? A republican who had questionable and probably illegal relationships with a minor, or an administration that once again is proving to be totally incompetent by woodwards book. One of these two has nearly destroyed our contry and got thousands of our young men and women killed as a result, and the other has not. Think about it
Comment by Vince — October 4, 2006 @ 11:08 am
Clinton was impeached for perjury, not a BJ. People also fail to realize that as the commander in chief of the armed forces the president could just as easily be prosecuted under the UCMJ for adultery, not to mention having sex with a person under his direct supervision. Both of these are offenses that mandate prison terms in the military.
Foley is a waste, he deserves what he gets when this is all said and done. Saying that the rest of his party is as guilty is flawed logic. Much like I would never say that Clinton’s party is just as guilty as he is. Actions belong to the person, not the party.
Comment by Matt — October 4, 2006 @ 11:09 am
You would think that with alcohol turning all theses die hard republicans into anti-semetic pedophiles (Gibson, Foley), republicans would do more to combat the dangers of liquor and stop spending billions on keeping grandmothers with cancer from getting medicinal marihuana.
Comment by Craig — October 4, 2006 @ 11:10 am
Mel Reynolds factoids, for all you GOP-ers: He served his FULL sentence (yes he was convicted of sexual assault, obstruction of justice, etc.). Clinton pardoned him for separate bank fraud charges, and he then served the remainder of that sentence in a halfway house. Not that any of these FACTS will penetrate the cloud of obfuscation perpeutated by O’Reilly and the like…
Comment by moomacita — October 4, 2006 @ 11:11 am
Hey Chris:
Forget the age of consent issue, if you feel that a 55 year old guy hitting on a 16 year old is cool, then send your 16 year old out for that duty. This has nothing to do with consent, or homosexuality, it has to do with an abuse of power by a pedophile. If you think that his antics began with IM being available, then you are terrible naive. His playing the drunk, gay, molested by a priest card is exactly the current legal textbook play by guys like him. OK, so he;s a drunk pedophile. Like the current blogs on the web have said…”last time I got drunk, I didnt start wanting to chase 16 year old boys”………
Why do his apologists, like you, bring up Democrats? That somehome makes this guys actions right? There is plenty of dispicable behavior on both sides of the aisle, but none of it makes it right.
Try dealing with the present issue, right now, and not the politics of distraction. This guy was a scumbag and he’s gone, and any others like him, Dem or Repub, need to be gone too. If this is the behavior from elected officials you are willing to tolerate, then we have entered a truly dangerous place. That said, I doubt that is what you really want.
Comment by Jack / Chicago — October 4, 2006 @ 11:12 am
Yes, when its a REPUBLICAN, it is swept under the rug… You are absolutely correct. Yes, when its a REPUBLICAN, it is swept under the rug… You are absolutely correct. Yes, when its a REPUBLICAN, it is swept under the rug… You are absolutely correct. Yes, when its a REPUBLICAN, it is swept under the rug… You are absolutely correct. Yes, when its a REPUBLICAN, it is swept under the rug… You are absolutely correct. Yes, when its a REPUBLICAN, it is swept under the rug… You are absolutely correct.
Comment by Bman — October 4, 2006 @ 11:12 am
Right Wing Commies are at it again! Bunch of hypocrites!
Comment by surferkev — October 4, 2006 @ 11:12 am
We’re at war. Have you ever been at war? Do you know how stressful it is? Especially for someone who’s trying to cut down on drinking? Everyone needs a release valve. Besides, Congressman Foley was obviously forced into his bad decisions by Satan. Also, FOX was right to label him a Democrat since during his time of demonic possession he was acting like a Democrat. Democrats are in favor of most perverted sex acts.
Comment by ed — October 4, 2006 @ 11:13 am
Breaking News: FOX NEWS is funded by the GOP. It is the propaganda mouthpiece of the Bush administration. All day long, they broadcast Republican talking points, straight from Karl Rove. Just another example of how we are becoming a fascist empire. If we do not WAKE UP and stop this, we are lost. But it may be entirely too late. We have lost our privacy and the Bill of Rights and our Constitution have been trashed. We spy on each other. We torture. We have nearly 1000 permanent air bases in almost every nation in the world.
Oh and of course labeling Foley a Democrat was no accident - FOX demonizes Democrats constantly.
Comment by CincinnatiGuy — October 4, 2006 @ 11:13 am
I watch Fox News regularly and although I will concede that it has a right tilt to its content, I also think FNC has turned the tables on stale liberal-slanted newsgroup drivel and gives a fresh view of events that normally would not have seen the light of day. However, I am frequently upset by all the misspelled words in the FNC streamers and even in more prominent captions. Personally, if I were Rupert Murdoch, I’d have the employee in charge of editing the print portions fired. I saw the “D-Fla” in the caption under Foley’s clip last night and predicted that lots of people would jump on it. I personally think it was a misprint, and a stupid one. But maybe it will shake things up in the Fox editorial QC staff. Fox should be embarrassed by this and work to correct it. Otherwise, I think it stands head and shoulders above the other news organizations. I will also add that poor editing is not exclusive to Fox News. It has become a joke in the printed media as well.
Comment by TFT — October 4, 2006 @ 11:14 am
joezz, what change in the mind of voters because of foxnews “[faking] people out” about Foley’s party affiliation? Are you also suggesting that is Foley WAS a Democrat, his actions are allowed, and only because he is a ‘R’epublican his actions are heinous?
Comment by Joseph — October 4, 2006 @ 11:14 am
Wow, simply amazing how the Righties/Republicans are trying to compare a drunk driving(Rep. Kennedy) to a 50 year old man who believe it or not, molested or not knows the difference between right and wrong……morals and values, you people are a joke and believe me if Jesus was around today he would not be supporting Bush or the GOP, unless there is a section of the Bible I missed that said Jesus supports killing people in the name of a undeclared War all the while lining the pockets of the rich.
Comment by Bill — October 4, 2006 @ 11:14 am
Matt,
Are you some sort of preacher?
Comment by joezz — October 4, 2006 @ 11:14 am
did you know that during the annual House Republican Caucus Orgy, they take an occasional break to make sure they are all on the same page
Comment by rudy franchi — October 4, 2006 @ 11:15 am
Well, it’s an easy mistake to make. After all, the “Conscience of the Democratic Party” had a gay prostitution ring operating from his apartment.
Comment by Eric — October 4, 2006 @ 11:16 am
Joseph,
If it’s not obvious to you, well then I have nothing more to say.
Comment by joezz — October 4, 2006 @ 11:16 am
I am tired of the REPUBLICAN PEDOPHILES. When will this stop? I am tired of the REPUBLICAN PEDOPHILES. When will this stop? I am tired of the REPUBLICAN PEDOPHILES. When will this stop? I am tired of the REPUBLICAN PEDOPHILES. When will this stop? I am tired of the REPUBLICAN PEDOPHILES. When will this stop? I am tired of the REPUBLICAN PEDOPHILES. When will this stop?
Comment by Bman — October 4, 2006 @ 11:16 am
“How is Patrick Kennedy running into a road barricade under the influence of who-knows-what in any way comparabale to Foley preying on 16 year old boys?”
What about Ted Kennedy? didn’t he kill some woman by driving off a bridge (while in his usual consistantly inebriated state)and that scandal just happend to get covered up?
The fact of the matter is that this issue has nothing to do with R or D… (sure people like Pelosi are going to try to make it one) what it has to do with is the depravity of the people that get elected into office… on both sides of the aisle! The reason this is happening and has continued to happen for decades now (if you remember the 80s scandal) is that the people up on the hill have delusions of grandure. They think that they are all powerful,and untouchable. They forget to realize that they are the ones that work for us.. the AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!
Foley should go to Jail! Clinton, both Kennedys should go to jail and I would say that about a tenth of all of congress should be in jail! not to mention the idiots that keep re-electing these people !!!
Comment by varela — October 4, 2006 @ 11:17 am
To add to my previous comment (#147) - Why is Foley attempting to pander to public sympathy - He’s an alcoholic, he’s gay, he was molested by a clergyman… How ironic that he only raises those issues now - in his defense - instead of merely taking responsibility for his actions and leaving it at that.
Comment by Brian — October 4, 2006 @ 11:19 am
The Bill Clinton references are classic, you Right Wingers / Republicans just can’t get over the fact that our country as a whole was much better off and respected with him in office, but memo to the out of touch Clinton hasn’t been in office for almost 6 years now, move on and face the fact that this period of time will be label as one of the worse periods in American (government)History and your party was in charge……GOP stands for Hypocrites
Comment by Bill — October 4, 2006 @ 11:21 am
Leave FoxNews alone. Just remember what CNN did to Dick Cheney by putting a red X in his face, and other countless ‘mistakes’ left-wing news channels do to make fun of others…
Comment by Chris G — October 4, 2006 @ 11:22 am
How insanely transparent the Republican supporters are.
See this for what it is and get off of the blame game. This has nothing to do with anything that was done in the past by Democrats.
If we are to go back in history, you do not want to look into the Republican legacies too closely. That’s a can of worms I do not wish to open.
Go ahead and blame each other. That’s really getting to the point of all of this…NOT!
Comment by joezz — October 4, 2006 @ 11:22 am
Joezz,
Nope. Just a former Marine that has seen people go to prison for long terms for the same things that our politicians have done.
This situation has become an argument between the left and the right, it serves no useful purpose. These are politicians, their job is to get elected again, not to serve the country. They swing whichever way popular opinion is going, irregardless of their party affiliation.
Foley was wrong to pursue underage boys. He should have waited until they were 18 to pursue them. I have no more problem with a 55 year old man dating an 18 year old man than I do with the same for a heterosexual. I only wish that people would remember that the same things they are on a soap box about have been done numerous times by both parties; you would think it would cease being a shock by now.
Comment by Matt — October 4, 2006 @ 11:24 am
Another thing, How is KKK byrd these days, or your lovely murdering ted kennedy, marion berry, whats he been up to, how bout your massachute congressmen who actually had sex with a page, you relected him 5 times, I could go on and on and on about your worthless party.
Comment by greg — October 4, 2006 @ 11:25 am
Matt had it right when he said this:
“Clinton was impeached for perjury, not a BJ. People also fail to realize that as the commander in chief of the armed forces the president could just as easily be prosecuted under the UCMJ for adultery, not to mention having sex with a person under his direct supervision. Both of these are offenses that mandate prison terms in the military.
Foley is a waste, he deserves what he gets when this is all said and done. Saying that the rest of his party is as guilty is flawed logic. Much like I would never say that Clinton’s party is just as guilty as he is. Actions belong to the person, not the party. ”
This does not need to be politicized. Bill Clinton lied under oath to his peers and his entire country and the entire world. That is why he was impeached. Foley, the scumbag he is, has accepted responsibility (except now he is claiming he was abused by a clergyman as a teenager…like that makes it all ok). This is not the Republican party’s responsibility, this is Foley’s. He is a sick sick man and more energy needs to be spent trying to find out if he actually abused kids, not pointing the finger at republicans.
Comment by Jessie — October 4, 2006 @ 11:25 am
joezz why can’t you clearly assert what you imply? How does Foley’s party affilation change how voters will react? Are a admitting that if Foley was a ‘D-Fl’ this media frenzy would never happen, and in fact the media would actively work to minimize the terrible things Foley has done?
As for the party of moral and family values being hypocrits, that dog won’t hunt. No one is perfect, but most Americans are Christians and strive to overcome their human weakness through their Faith. Saying you are a moral person with high etical values does not make you perfect. It only that you admit your failings and weakness but are working to rid bad behaviors as best you can.
Comment by Joseph — October 4, 2006 @ 11:25 am
This back and forth is silly. The republicans and dems both have dirty laundry. Lets not forget Rudolph William Louis “Rudy” Giuliani III, he cheated on his wife and moved his squeeze in the govenors mansion until his wife started mess about it and that is rarely mentioned. Mike Wallace even asked Bill Oreilly why he did not ask Rudy about it on The Factor. So there is cover ups all around no matter what party.
Comment by Chase — October 4, 2006 @ 11:26 am
Foley already took responsibility when he QUIT. Which is something that Clinton, conduit, William Jefferson, kennedy and all the dems would never do. They have no moral values…
Comment by Randall — October 4, 2006 @ 11:26 am
Foley must be brought to justice ASAP! He is a perverted child molester, who uses his influence and power to lure kids for his lower instincts.
I have yet to heard a regular person that got away with a pedophilia charge because he was an alcoholic or because he was gay. This is a bunch of bull.
How in the world the White House spokeperson Snow qualifies the emails and IM’s as “OVER FRIENDLY”. how will Tony Snow feels if his daughters or sons received perverted messages from grown old man, will he dismiss them: “oh, don’t worry hon, that is an over friendly guy, he.he,he…) yeah right!
This is a proof that we do not have “justice for All”
that phrase is a cliche, and do not apply to rich or politicos…
Comment by My twocents — October 4, 2006 @ 11:27 am
So the point of all these comparisons from the deep dark past is that the Republicans are just as bad as Democrats.
Comment by rudy franchi — October 4, 2006 @ 11:29 am
So it is a big story that Fox labled Foley a Dem? Is it any different than the time CNN put a big X over Cheney? So what. I find it comical that libs get so worked up over Fox when it is the only main stream media outlet that isn’t blatantly liberal!
As for the actual story, I would not equate making homosexual advances towards an underage page with being a leader of the KKK, or killing someone while driving drunk, or getting a BJ from an intern, or perjury in front of a grand jury, or running a homosexual prostitution ring out of your apartment, or being involved in a hit and run accident while drunk. They are all BAD. The difference is, the Republican resigned before he would have been thrown out. The Dems are all still in office. THAT is the hypocrisy.
Comment by JO'C — October 4, 2006 @ 11:29 am
all democrats are boy loving cocksuckers.
Comment by tehpunk — October 4, 2006 @ 11:29 am
Matt,
I agree with your points. If only we had 5-10 political parties with some real presence. We could get away from choosing between the lesser of 2 evils or not choosing at all.
Yet we have the gall to poke fun at other countries with more that 2 parties.
Comment by joezz — October 4, 2006 @ 11:29 am
You all forgetting the real problem here.
Since when is it wrong to molest boys?
Comment by Michael — October 4, 2006 @ 11:30 am
Why can’t we just put this guy in a bowl (along with all the other corrupt POLITICIANS - regardless of political affiliation - and flush it!
Comment by Brian — October 4, 2006 @ 11:30 am
for 186: kudos for totally disregarding all of the circumstances surrounding the success/failure of each presidency!
Comment by luke — October 4, 2006 @ 11:31 am
A 16 year old is not a child. The age of consent is 16 years in D.C. Foley never touched anybody like clinton, Conduit or Franks did, but instead just typed out some e-mails. Can you see a difference? Duh?
Comment by Randall — October 4, 2006 @ 11:31 am
This is the perfect political storm. Pedophilia, abuse of power and
hypocrisy. It really truly reflects the values of the Republican
party a white wash of “family values” over a rotten core of
corruption.
On the other hand Monica was old enough to consent, she not only
consented but sought out Clinton. While it may have been
inappropriate it was no where near the abuse of power that this case
involves.
The Republican’s made all the hay they could out of Monica, and nows
its there turn, but they’ve done something far far worse, compounded
by the “family values” hypocrisy.
Comment by Larry — October 4, 2006 @ 11:33 am
Brian Ross had the story he sat on it?
The IM’s were not known till this week?
For all of you that still believe President Clintons
Impeachment was over a school boy act?
The reason he lost his Law License and the respect of the American
people was he lied under oath in the Paula Jones case.
Those of you that say “so what”!
The next time you our a family member is in a court case and a Politician comes in and raises his or her hand then lies and you lose the case then
hey “so what”…right.
It was not about a private sex matter it was laying under oath.
Vin4nyc
Comment by Vincent — October 4, 2006 @ 11:35 am
Hey Larry,
Are you saying that Foley’s page did not consent? Huh? That is not fact actually…
Comment by Randall — October 4, 2006 @ 11:35 am
But since Foley was a “believer” he will be forgiven by the Religious Right. He has sinned and everyone deserves forgiveness… … But if he was some sort of liberal, then heaven’s forbid, God would have no time for creeps like that.
It’s all so absolutely unbelievable, it makes me ashamed to be an American.
Comment by JR — October 4, 2006 @ 11:35 am
I blame it all on Al Gore. Afterall, he did invent the internet.
Comment by Charlie — October 4, 2006 @ 11:36 am
Let’s see… both Clinton and Foley used their power to seduce people under them. Foley’s a sick pedo, but Clinton committed adultry (big difference). BUT… Foley was a congressman, Clinton was the President (big difference).
Foley broke the law and should pay.
Did Clinton break the law? Not really… oh yeah, he lied. Tsk tsk… Now, did Bush lie? :). hmm…
I’m so glad not to be affiliated with any party, it’s the people and their positions that matter. Party affiliation is just the simpleton’s way of deciding the “lesser of two evils.”
Both parties are replete with corruption, but frequently each side only sees it in the other.
Meanwhile, Big Business keeps gobbling things down.
Peace.
Comment by krept — October 4, 2006 @ 11:36 am
I believe the cure for our lack of representation in Congress is term limits in both Houses, not more parties. Encumbents are more concerned with reelection than representation.
We need more contemporary elected representatives who are closer to real life of “We the People” and not aging old men who live mostly in the past of their childhood.
Term Limits Now! It requires a Constitutional Amendment, and Congress won’t take action on their own, Americans must demand term limits.
Comment by Joseph — October 4, 2006 @ 11:37 am
Perjury, there you go again talking about Clinton,why can’t you people talk about anything in the present, oh thats right you have nothing positive to talk about, the only reason you leaders Georgie and Dickie pooh haven’t perjured themselves is because they won’t talk to anyone under oath….ie the 9/11 Commission, the CIA leak case etc…Just remember this is the party whose Leader GW said “I truely am not that concerned about him” on March 13 2002 when asked about where Bin Laden was…..enough said!
Comment by Bill — October 4, 2006 @ 11:37 am
Oh my, the fur is flying now. Let’s put it all in perspective. WE have become a divided nation, divided by the politics of fear and the politics of revenge. Both sides are equally guilty, but a few are more guilty than others.
This current Foley-Gate issue is just another symptom of what the hell is wrong with the system, and why it needs to get fixed. At then end of the day, both parties are in the wrong on the overall issues of what is best for this country.
So Foley opted for the Mel Gibson defense strategy, with a few twists on the themse…..I’m sure there are people who see the irony in all that. But the reality is that the house and the senate are not doing the people’s business, they are doing their own, and that is whats wrong here.
If you have a brain that works, you can watch Fox, CBS, CNN, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, and all the others and sort out the facts from the spin generated by both sides. However, if you are content being Bessie the Cow, and being led around by your nose, by any network or party, then you are eventually on your way to the butcher shop of ideas.
Forget the politics, do we want our country to be here in 20-50-100 years from now? If we do, then some changes need to be made, and they affect both parties and all of us.
The Kennedys & Reagans of the world were imperfect people, but they were leaders, and they could motivate and unite people, even coming from opposite sides of the aisle and the country. The current crop at 1600 Pennsylvania has no idea of how to pull that trick off, and its sad for us.
Perhaps they’d really like to. I recall that was W’s approach the first time round, to be a “Uniter”. But perhaps they just cant, perhaps its just not in their skill set. I’m not sure there are any Dems that can either, but to keep doing the same thing and expecting different results is the definition of insanity, and we all deserve better if we are willing to demand it.
Comment by Jack / Chicago — October 4, 2006 @ 11:37 am
Brian,
In regard to item #200, because there isn’t a bowl big enough to fit them all. Besides, if that thing were to “back up”, the clean up would make The Big Dig look like child’s play.
Comment by sd — October 4, 2006 @ 11:37 am
Brian,
In regard to item #200, because there isn’t a bowl big enough to fit them all. Besides, if that thing were to “back up”, the clean up would make The Big Dig look like child’s play.
Comment by sd — October 4, 2006 @ 11:38 am
This is the first time on a blog. I was right. it is a waste of time. facts are irrellevent and minds are already made up. Does anyone care about issues or facts. Politicians that tell you what you want to hear are useless. That is one thing I like about President Bush. He doesn’t change his mind based on opinion polls. The country was infavor of going into Iraq. Once there, only a moron would continue to continually re-argue the discussion. It only divides us and makes victory harder. And victory is the only option.
Comment by Matt — October 4, 2006 @ 11:38 am
it is humorous how deluded some people can be. clinton was chargeg with perjury thats what the impeachment process was about. And it wasn’t just that he lied about sex he lied about what he was doing while havinng sex. The consensual sex took place while Clinton was supposed to be reading and taking ccare of classified documents. So yes in essence the Cliton Scandal was of a greater importance because it could costitute a treasonous act. however mark foley is a pathetic example of a human being and the focus shouldn’t be on what political affiliation he is but what he did. And more importantly who was holding onto the more perverted e-mails and IMs until the opportune time for the democrats. In the end when the truth is finally discovered it will more than likely be a Democrat party line person who had this information. However it may be it doesn’t change the fact that foley is gone as he should be and that the issue is what he did and for how long and who was affected? That should be the focus of the issue not “what party is he?”
Comment by Alainn — October 4, 2006 @ 11:40 am
Hey Larry- wasn’t it a Democrat names Gerry Studds in the 80’s that had sex with an underage boy while IN congress? Not only was he not fired or asked to resign, you Democrat hypocrites re-elected him three times until he retired, just like you court Barney (plant a) Frank (in my tail) as a “Democrat Leader” after running a gay prostitution ring out of his friggin’ basement- how about some consistency, moron?
Comment by Joe — October 4, 2006 @ 11:40 am
If you examine the deposition of the CEO of Fox News in the Florida whistle blower case and their lawyer’s voir dire, you will see that Fox is not that concerned with accuracy and from time to time slant stories and figures to please their advertisers. With Fox News its just about making their advertisers and public happy hearing what they want to hear whether correct or not.
Comment by Charlie — October 4, 2006 @ 11:40 am
“Hey Larry,
Are you saying that Foley’s page did not consent? Huh? That is not fact actually…”
Hmm… Isn’t it called “the age of consent” for a reason? Was he over that age?
I guess we could argue about how the lawmakers created the concept of such an “age,” but some perv priest surely convinced the altar boys to “consent” to being molested, using God and such. Imagine if Foley told the kids, “well, look it up. The Romans were into Man-Boy Love.”
Whether the kid is awestruck, powerstruck or starstruck, we’ve got that legal term “age of consent” for a reason. Sure he’d want a 50+ year old’s jimmy in his hand instead of the Catholic Schoolgirl one of pages talked about. I’m sure it had nothing to do with his status ;)
Peace.
Comment by krept — October 4, 2006 @ 11:41 am
Again I repeat, Just remember this is the party whose Leader GW said “I truely am not that concerned about him” on March 13 2002 when asked about where Bin Laden was…..enough said!
Just remember this is the party whose Leader GW said “I truely am not that concerned about him” on March 13 2002 when asked about where Bin Laden was…..enough said!
Just remember this is the party whose Leader GW said “I truely am not that concerned about him” on March 13 2002 when asked about where Bin Laden was…..enough said!
Comment by Bill — October 4, 2006 @ 11:42 am
Matt,
Blind faith in bad leadership is not patriotism.
Comment by JR — October 4, 2006 @ 11:43 am
All of these republicans should be placed inside of a STEEL JAIL CELL for what they have done in congress.
They have USED and ABUSED many young people in many ways.
Any one senator that had any form of knowledge should RESIGN and do TIME inside a JAIL CELL!
This clearly states it is all about KEEPING POWER AGAIN as this is more important than our own AMERICAN YOUNG PEOPLE.
I find the leadership within this senate and white house throughly
disgusting!
O’Reilly from FOX NEWS
As for O’Reilly from Fox News, he is CLEARLY the match for FOLEY. Isn’t this the same guy who had telephone sex with a girl. For that reason alone I will not even turn FOX NEWS on.
They are contributors to as far as I’m concerned. O’Reilly is nothing more than a grand stander of TRASH!
A Concerned Mother
Comment by A Concerned Mother — October 4, 2006 @ 11:43 am
Hey, My two cents: whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty. He’s a child molester? Facts be damned! Democrats are angry and heads must roll!
Comment by David — October 4, 2006 @ 11:43 am
What’s wrong with phone sex? When you can’t be there in person, punching the clown while on the phone is a decent alternative (as long as both people are of consenting age)
Comment by Matt — October 4, 2006 @ 11:45 am
ATTN: Matt (from #214)– you are right! Debating whether it was right or wrong going into Iraq now is not worth the time. Politicians like John Kerry who waffle, supporting the war one day and against it the next, will only hurt our situation even more.
Comment by Charlie — October 4, 2006 @ 11:46 am
The fact is that both Fox News AND the left-leaning St. Petersburg Times knew about the emails (not the IMs). In journalism, you have to sit on a story sometimes that cannot be completely proven in order to prevent falsely accusing someone. It has come out now, Foley resigned, the Page system in DC needs to be changed and that is the end of it. Bottom line is both Fox News and the left newspaper sat on the story at the time. You can’t claim bias on this one!
Comment by Truth Seeker — October 4, 2006 @ 11:46 am
It’s a perfectly understandable mistake. This type of behavior is common among democrats so whoever put the overlay together just assumed he was a democrat. Thats what happens when you assume things…I’m having to look real hard to find the party affiliation on this W.V.Sen. today.. odd…
Comment by jim — October 4, 2006 @ 11:47 am
Re: 219
“I truely am not that concerned about him” on March 13 2002
That is true, because OBL has been KILLED longagoandfaraway, 10/2001.
DONE!
d-force
Comment by d — October 4, 2006 @ 11:47 am
I can’t believe you guys are arguing about what behavior is worse, Clinton should of been kicked out for his abuse of power and lying, Foley should be kicked out(he resinged) and prosecuted. Kennedy should of been kicked out for his misdeeds. People make a mess of things, attack the person not the party. Geez! It is curious, however, that the Republicans get caught and they do the right thing by resigning. The Dems stay in office.
Comment by Tom — October 4, 2006 @ 11:48 am
Putting the “D” up there was so stupid it had to be a mistake. If FOX is bias this incident doesn’t prove it.
Comment by TK — October 4, 2006 @ 11:49 am
#222.
David is absolutely correct. A couple of things indicate guilt to me at this point.
- lack of rebuttal… “I didn’t do it.”
- his abrupt resignation.
- Statements about his alcoholim, horrible past and his potential homosexual orientation.
He’s definitely innocent until proven guilty, but if he IS found guilty he needs to get the book thrown at him. This will help establish case law for internet pedophilia and if he gets off for any reason (IF he did what is said) I fear future predators will make similar arguments as he.
Comment by krept — October 4, 2006 @ 11:52 am
oops my behind
Comment by man with brain — October 4, 2006 @ 11:53 am
D-Force, 10/2001 oh, I guess that video tape of him talking right before the 2004 election and referencing the election coming in a couple of days and other current events was a staged actor dressed up like GW’s friend Osama…..well if that was the case then your party derseves to be locked up and the key thrown away for deceiving the whole country Republican or Democrat
Comment by Bill — October 4, 2006 @ 11:55 am
RE: 214
you are so wrong. main missions done.
OBL = done
we layed the taps pipeline for c. sea
we reversed the currency in iraq = done
we are now spreading the cells around the world as I is becoming a terrorist training camp, literally.
view attacks across the pond. if we don’t pull out just hang up a sign ” all terrorist train here in I”.
good luck
d
Comment by d — October 4, 2006 @ 11:57 am
I love the reupublicans…they are about family values…honor and loyalty… now this a good one a Gay Republican pedophile…. talk about family values
Comment by John — October 4, 2006 @ 11:58 am
joe,
get the facts straight. Studds’ page actually testified that they had a consensual relationship.
If not, he would have been thrown out. Don’t put this on Studds or Frank.
This is a situation that has to be dealt with just like Clinton’s BJ except that Clinton’s intern was well above the age of consent so it’s not the same issue.
Comment by joezz — October 4, 2006 @ 11:59 am
Foley began his carreer as a
Democrat.Switched parties for political advantage. His behavior hardly seems Republican they don’t even kiss their wives.
Comment by J-Bird — October 4, 2006 @ 12:03 pm
Re: John #234…It seems that you are saying that people who are gay pedophiles and don’t support family values really should belong to the democrat party.
Comment by Charlie — October 4, 2006 @ 12:10 pm
Just using a page (no pun) out of the Dem playbook. Perfectly executed. It’s October in an election year. Seek and destroy. Lies or truths…it doesn’t matter. Hey, did you hear about White a Dem senator from W. Va.?
Comment by libsarenuts — October 4, 2006 @ 12:11 pm
“Fixed” is right. Funny, you think they don’t have the technology to replace the eroneous “D” with an “R” when re-running the broadcast 3 hours later? Funny, they didn’t CATCH the “D” the first time it was placed onscreen? you think there are not technicians, editors, etc. watching it in real-time? Come on, wake up. Fox does this stuff all the time. The goal, trick a few thousand less-knowledgeable citizens into thinking he’s a DEM. And on the re-broadcast, making sure no one gets the impression he’s GOP. Typical!
Comment by JW — October 4, 2006 @ 12:11 pm
You would think that the Dems would support this Gay mans quest for love, I mean the ACLU supports NAMBLA…and isnt the consent age in D.C. 16?
Comment by Ted — October 4, 2006 @ 12:13 pm
So let me get this straight. I’m considered an idiot because I’m a Fox News viewer? Well, I guess that makes my Harvard Law degree useless.
Comment by Joe Dirt — October 4, 2006 @ 12:14 pm
Why can’t we all agree that Foley is sick in the head. Does it really matter what party he is in? Democrats and Republicans both have serious problems and there isn’t a dimes worth of difference between them. Is it okay to say one is worse than the other? It’s all sin. The Bible says that anyone that hurts a child would be better off to tie a millstone around his neck and be dropped into the deepest sea. Somebody who commits adultery or has immoral sexual behavior will simply burn in hell forever. You choose the worse of the two.
Comment by Randall — October 4, 2006 @ 12:14 pm
Sad. Sad. Sad. Maybe we should just split the country in two and be done with it already. We are living in two totally different nations - one in reality and one in fantasy (literally). Guess who’s who?
Comment by John Montalvo — October 4, 2006 @ 12:17 pm
Lets change the topic to big Denny, and how his skillful handling of this matter is good for the country.
Is Denny taking leadership cues from Karl Rove and GW?
GW says that voters shouldnt trust Democrats, (now theres a leader for you) and GW also says that Denny is ok, (now that makes me really want to trust him). Denny says he cant recall being told he had someone like Foley running around in his shop potentially exposing the house and house leadership to the type of sh-tstorm they are now in and he cant recall being told, but will defend the rights of those who said they told him to have said they did.
Is that right? How about that.
Come on now people, is this the way our country should be run?
Comment by Jack — October 4, 2006 @ 12:19 pm
JW, again I ask how does the errant ‘D’ change the impressions voters will have of Foley? Or, are you implying that all GOPers are Gay pedophiles? If that is what you are asserting, and honestly it may only be my impression from you post, then why is the Gay voting block a lock for Democrats?
As for the dynamics use to produce a live TV show, I see little screws in on screen presentation all the time, and this was just another one. I imagine it was easier to “paint” out the bottom of the screen entirely than to paint it with the “R-FL”, I don’t know that industry. My point is, incorrectly labelling “D-FL’ in no way changes the distain voters will have for Foley’s actions, regardless of party.
Comment by Joseph — October 4, 2006 @ 12:20 pm
It is all Al Gore’s fault for inventing the internet.
Comment by Mike — October 4, 2006 @ 12:21 pm
Since when do politicians have any mopral authority? Congrats, Jeff, you’re better than somebaody else because you have moral authority. WTF does moral authority authorize you or anyone to do? Organize a good burning? Shun someone from the community? Nope, it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling about yourself that you are superior to a democrat who may drive a nicer car than you and sleeps in on Sundays. Take your sanctimonious moral authority and shove it. I can’t believe you typed “intellectual honesty” and “moral authority” in the same sentence. Get your head out of your ass. I know plenty of good people who were duped into voting for Bush (twice) soley because he is a man of faith THEN continue to apologize for every demonstration of the opposite. Oh, he’s protecting us from those evil terrorists, riiiight. Rewind to the run-up to this never-ending debacle of a war, how much was it going to cost? How long would we be there? All you armchair heroes who’ve never served, why are we in Iraq today and for the next century? Just friggin’ think for a second, look at the facts. Ignore the politics. Ignore Fox News unless there’s a good car chase or missing debutant or runaway bride or Terri Schiavo.
Comment by Myshinymetalhiney — October 4, 2006 @ 12:24 pm
I guess people like being lied to. Thats why Fox is number one, or maybe it’s the years of having the main stream media bash us with liberal biased rhetoric. Go Rush, Hannity, Make them squirm. I wasn’t born a Republican, CNN and Bill Clinton’s “definition of is is” made me one. Go Fox
Comment by Mr. Wilson — October 4, 2006 @ 12:25 pm
I like my fantasy world where men stand for something. We win a war by actually killing the enemy. “nobody ever won a war by dying for his country, you win a war by making the other poor SOB die for his country (or God, in this case).” The wussiefication of America is complete. Long live the feminized american male, geez, where have all the John Waynes gone.
Comment by Ted — October 4, 2006 @ 12:26 pm
Hey Mark. Which Kennedy were you talking about. The one that got drunk and wrecked or the one that got drunk, wrecked and killed a woman?
Comment by Brian — October 4, 2006 @ 12:26 pm
Joseph, are you high?
How does the errant D change impressions of votors? Believe it or not, there are votors who will see that D and think from this point forward that he’s a DEM, and assume this a DEM problem. Dems didn’t make this a political issie, but the right is, by: (1) suppressing this thing for political purpsoes, and (2) shameless attmpts to blame DEMS for this (based on political purposes).
Seriously, if you look into fox tactics, and they are tactics, there are many documented instances of stuff like this. Oh, that’s right. You’re not supposed to look. If you look, then you’re just supporting those “far-left smear sites.”
Wake up.
Comment by JW — October 4, 2006 @ 12:29 pm
Still not sure why Foley resigned, all he had to do was switch parties and he would have been welcomed with open arms. And the media attention would fade away.
Comment by Gibby — October 4, 2006 @ 12:29 pm
Very understandable since he was acting like one!
Comment by Jack — October 4, 2006 @ 12:31 pm
Democrats hate the Patriot act, but they’re all suddenly thrilled when some poor man’s private emails are suddenly made public.
Comment by ed — October 4, 2006 @ 12:32 pm
Knowing about the emails is not analagous to knowing the content of the Instant Message messages. Why can’t liberals comprehend that simple distinction? Foley had the guts to resign, which can not be said for the ten democrats involved in the sex scandals below.
http://www.humanevents.com/lists.php?id=17357
Comment by Otto Skorzeny — October 4, 2006 @ 12:32 pm
-myshinyhiney- Where did you serve?
Comment by Ted — October 4, 2006 @ 12:32 pm
Just to set the record straight. There were several news outlets besides Fox News that had the info on the emails and instant messages but did nothing with them. One of them was the Extremely liberal St. Pete Times. So it is clearly not a Fox News only issue. Secondly, knowledge of the emails is not to be confused with knowlege of instant messages. The emails were inocuous. The instant messages were very different.
Comment by Joe — October 4, 2006 @ 12:33 pm
Gentlemen…As a Republican Conservative, I am ashamed at the actions of Mr. Foley. However, you think that his actions represent the ideals of my party? Just because this man crossed the line I should vote Democrat or stay away from the polls? Please. This is not about politics, it is about breaking the law. If Mr. Foley did those things, he should be handed to the justice system along with any who may have covered up his crimes, regardless of party affiliation. Come November I will vote Republican because I believe it is the better way to run things…Did Mr. Kennedy’s ( Ted’s ) actions all those years ago that resulted in the death of a young woman keep you from voting Democrat? No…you believed in the Democrat Ideals. The party and its ideals are what we back. The individuals are replaceable. Pull your heads out.
Comment by Jay — October 4, 2006 @ 12:34 pm
Reminds me of when CNN was airing VP Dick Cheney’s speech live from the American Enterprise Institute in Washington — when a large black ‘X’ repeatedly flashed over the vice president’s face!
CNN said it was a malfunction in graphics device and all was forgiven- go figure.
Comment by O'Really — October 4, 2006 @ 12:35 pm
In case no one has posted this, the age of consent is 16 in DC. So therefore there is no pedophilia involved.
Comment by Christie — October 4, 2006 @ 12:37 pm
If it is more convenient for all of you, why dont we just divide ourselves into the ever popular Sunni and Shiite world like they do in Iraq?
JUST LOOK HOW WELL THAT WORKS…………………because it seems like that is what most of you would be happy doing.
Comment by Nick Danger — October 4, 2006 @ 12:38 pm
Dr. Dobson has been awful quiet in all of this…
Comment by hillbetty — October 4, 2006 @ 12:40 pm
Anyone who does not understand by this time that Fox news is a propaganda mouthpiece for Bush and the Corporations he sucks up to, is an utter moron. I’m surprised by the number of idiots that get online, read a bit of news and then spew hateful trash. I’m no fan of Democrats so save your broken record dribble of left-wingers. I think most of the Dems and Reps right now are deprived egomaniacs. What boggles my mind, is the pure garbage from Fox news that redneck pro-war sheeple are slurping up from corporate phonies such as Bill O’Reilly and Fox news, just to name a couple. Bush is the worst human being to be in power. His entrourage used propaganda and lies to get him in there in the first place, but that’s another story. W’s father headed one of the most murderous organizations of all times. The CIA. Do your homework morons and read the history of the CIA. It’s bad news. The Bushies are also tied to Oil in the extreme. What a massive conflict of interest for Bush and Cheney to have vast Oil industry connections and to declare war on a major oil nation. And how in the hell are we in a democracy when an idiot gets into power and then his son is elected right behind him. Is that Democracy! How stupid to think it is. It’s a power system, precise in detail, designed to keep pro-oil, pro-war puppets in place, and to feed you sheeple the daily O’Reily mind control so you don’t question reality. But alas, the idiot sheeple actually believe the crap pushed everyday- catchy empty idiotic slogans such as “War on Terror” and “spreading Democracy”. Recent USA war aggressions are purely for corporate interests. Don’t be so stupid people. Wake up. We have terrorist because we invade their countries and take their oil. Simple story. But you morons don’t seem to be able to understand a simple story. Or you don’t care. Your racist and hateful. Fed on a sheeple diet of Captain Crunch, Fox News and cheap oil.
I AM America. I served in the Navy, I am a decorated veteran from the first phoney war in Iraq. Since then, Ive woken up to smell the coffee. For some of you, there may be hope. The educated NORMAL people of America are turning inside out having to watch the daily filth and idiotic vomitus you sheeple idiots spew on websites such as this one everyday. Heres a little education for you. Corporations supporting American war expansion know that in most elections, the count will be close. Every percentage of vote is crucial. That is the reason Bush keeps that human-hog demon of a human being Carl Rove around. Rove is an expert in manipulating human beings and information. Just lie and skew the facts enough, and you’ll swing a critical percentage few votes away from uneducated, easily manipulated voters. Remember how close the Gore-Bush vote was? Putting a D up over Foleys name could make an entire Presidency. It came down to chads in Florida, so don’t tell me a Fox News “D” wont make a difference. Wake up, it does and YOU know it does or you wouldn’t be posting messages on this blog so pathetically
Comment by dave — October 4, 2006 @ 12:40 pm
Everyone seems to be forgetting the fact that the parents of one of the first kids to report this stuff expressly told congressional officials that they did NOT want this thing publicized. So, for House members who may have known anything about it, it’s probably been a case of damned if they spoke up, damned if they didn’t.
Comment by SW — October 4, 2006 @ 12:41 pm
Let’s leave Studds out of this discussion. The Studds and Crane thing happened 23 years ago. These days we’re constantly being reminded that the Rs are all about family values and against anything that has to do with the “choice” of homosexuality. Let’s look at the Foley situation in the context of 2006. Remeber “Love the sinner, hate the sin”…uh except when it is not politically expedient.
Oh and anyone who thinks that “D” on Fox was a mistake is QUITE naive.
Comment by JC — October 4, 2006 @ 12:42 pm
#261
Really? Is that a legal fact, because if we are playing the letter of the law game (never mind its likely that the jursidiction of this matter if where the location of the page in question was) then all you Foley apologist would have to give big Bill Clinton a pass, if you want to play the age-of-consent card.
Get it through you head, this guy is a bad, bad apple. Like someone mentioned earlier, is this acceptable for your 16 year old son to be hit on by this guy? Is it?
Comment by Pete Mohss — October 4, 2006 @ 12:43 pm
Guess this does show; Fox News, We distort; you decide. Any one who thinks a Bj between two cosenting adults is worse than solicting a minor; must be a proud member of NAMBLA!!!!!
Comment by Robert Jenkins — October 4, 2006 @ 12:43 pm
That “D” doesn’t stand for democrat, it stands for dumb-a**
Comment by mark — October 4, 2006 @ 12:43 pm
Dave,
Did your brain get addled by nerve gas over there?
Did you rage against CNN putting a giant X over Mr. Cheneys face?
Didn’t think so.
Comment by Christie — October 4, 2006 @ 12:44 pm
Myshinymetalhiney: (what a way to credit your thoughts)
Serving in the US military or not is the most lame reason used by detractors to level personal attacks on Americans with a different take on Iraq.
Service in our military is not a requirement allowing Americans the right to free speech. The few among us that do serve do so to insure and defend the right of EVERY American to speak freely.
And before you attack my right to speak, I volunteered for service a year after the draft ended because I believe our Republic is worth defending. It was to my displeasure, sadness and anger to server for President Carter — who allowed 40+ of my fellow Americans I choose to protect to be abused (tortured) in Iran — and my greatest honor to also serve for President Reagan, who restored all Carter took away for the military.
Americans need to be proud of those who serve, but also need to know that those who server do so to defend all Americans, not just veterans. There is no shame attached for not serving in the military, but rather we all should praise the sacrifice a special few endure to keep us safe.
Comment by Joseph — October 4, 2006 @ 12:45 pm
OK - I have read enough. Seems like alot of Libs want to once again TRY to use this as a platform to defend Clinton. For the last time, he was not impeached for having sex, he was impeached for LYING about it to investigators! What Foley did was wrong and disgusting but at least he admitted it when it hit the fan. For the last time, just like Foley, Clinton was GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY as charged. Live with it.
Comment by Realistic — October 4, 2006 @ 12:45 pm
10. Sen. Daniel Inouye. The 82-year-old Hawaii Democrat was accused in the 1990s by numerous women of sexual harassment. Democrats cast doubt on the allegations and the Senate Ethics Committee dropped its investigation.
9. Former Rep. Gus Savage. The Illinois Democrat was accused of fondling a Peace Corps volunteer in 1989 while on a trip to Africa. The House Ethics Committee decided against disciplinary action in 1990.
8. Rep. Barney Frank. The outspoken Massachusetts Democrat hired a male prostitute who ran a prostitution service from Frank’s residence in the 1980s. Only two Democrats in the House of Representatives voted to censure him in 1990.
7. Former Sen. Brock Adams. The late Washington Democrat was forced to stop campaigning after numerous accusations of drugging, assault and rape, the first surfacing in 1988.
6. Former Rep. Fred Richmond. This New York Democrat was arrested in 1978 for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old. He remained in Congress and won re-election—before eventually resigning in 1982 after pleading guilty to tax evasion and drug possession.
5. Former Rep. John Young. The late Texas Democrat increased the salary of a staffer after she gave in to his sexual advances. The congressman won re-election in 1976 but lost two years later.
4. Former Rep. Wayne Hays. The late Ohio Democrat hired an unqualified secretary reportedly for sexual acts. Although he resigned from Congress, the Democratic House leadership stalled in removing him from the Administration Committee in 1976.
3. Former Rep. Gerry Studds. He was censured for sexual relationship with underage male page in 1983. Massachusetts voters returned him to office for six more terms.
2. Former Rep. Mel Reynolds. The Illinois Democrat was convicted of 12 counts of sexual assault with a 16-year-old. President Bill Clinton pardoned him before leaving office.
1. Sen. Teddy Kennedy. The liberal Massachusetts senator testified in defense of nephew accused of rape, invoking his family history to win over the jury in 1991.
Comment by Joe — October 4, 2006 @ 12:45 pm
What is sad is if Foley were still a Democrat this would be a non-issue if the past is any indication.
Comment by J-Bird — October 4, 2006 @ 12:45 pm
How about the “mistake” CNN made when they put a BIG FAT BLACK X over Cheney’s face right before the election. When Fox does it it’s intentional, but when CNN does it, it’s a programming error. So typical.
Comment by Len — October 4, 2006 @ 12:47 pm
You’re right whoever said the conversation is getting mislead.
FOX news make a blatent embarassing mistake and corrected it later. But what about when CNN was caught flashing a big black X over Dick Cheneys head during an interview? It wasn’t corrected for a later broadcast and no explanation was given for it.
FOX news is not the only media outlet to blame for being partisan.
Comment by DC — October 4, 2006 @ 12:47 pm
one other thing… if you think that fat cow Lewinski was the only one, you’re nuts! BC had the pick of the litter, and you’re gonna convince me that heffer was the only one he got busy with? c’mon… she was just the only one with proof!
Comment by mark — October 4, 2006 @ 12:47 pm
Of course his behaviour is reprehensible. Of course the two Dems that had sex with 17 year olds were given a free pass. At least Foley resigned.
The fact of the matter is, someone said he was a pedophile and I was using the LAW to point out that it was between two adults, 16 being the age of consent. So, just like Clinton it was between two consenting adults. Would you want Clinton hitting on your 18 year old daughter?
Comment by Christie — October 4, 2006 @ 12:47 pm
I am so sick and tired of this whole thing, the petty infighting going on sickens me. We have soldiers fighting overseas and back home we fight amongst ourselves. I can not wait until the next attack when possibly millions die (maybe even me, I live in a big city)and all you so called Americans whine about the fact that your favorite starbucks blew up or that you cannot go to see the latest musical on Broadway because its not there anymore. IMHO, those who are not willing to fight for freedom, or support those who do, do not deserve it. I think that you should be required to serve in the government or the military before you have the right to vote. I for one would rather be fighting over there, then see the day that a terrorist blows up my daughters schoolbus because she is a christian or worse. And for those who wonder, Yes, I did serve….did you?
Comment by Ted — October 4, 2006 @ 12:49 pm
So Fox called Foley a Democrat. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…
Comment by TexasRainmaker — October 4, 2006 @ 12:55 pm
How Easy We Forget… One thing for sure the Left has CONVENIENT AMNESIA!!!!!
10. Sen. Daniel Inouye. The 82-year-old Hawaii Democrat was accused in the 1990s by numerous women of sexual harassment. Democrats cast doubt on the allegations and the Senate Ethics Committee dropped its investigation.
9. Former Rep. Gus Savage. The Illinois Democrat was accused of fondling a Peace Corps volunteer in 1989 while on a trip to Africa. The House Ethics Committee decided against disciplinary action in 1990.
8. Rep. Barney Frank. The outspoken Massachusetts Democrat hired a male prostitute who ran a prostitution service from Frank’s residence in the 1980s. Only two Democrats in the House of Representatives voted to censure him in 1990.
7. Former Sen. Brock Adams. The late Washington Democrat was forced to stop campaigning after numerous accusations of drugging, assault and rape, the first surfacing in 1988.
6. Former Rep. Fred Richmond. This New York Democrat was arrested in 1978 for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old. He remained in Congress and won re-election—before eventually resigning in 1982 after pleading guilty to tax evasion and drug possession.
5. Former Rep. John Young. The late Texas Democrat increased the salary of a staffer after she gave in to his sexual advances. The congressman won re-election in 1976 but lost two years later.
4. Former Rep. Wayne Hays. The late Ohio Democrat hired an unqualified secretary reportedly for sexual acts. Although he resigned from Congress, the Democratic House leadership stalled in removing him from the Administration Committee in 1976.
3. Former Rep. Gerry Studds. He was censured for sexual relationship with underage male page in 1983. Massachusetts voters returned him to office for six more terms.
2. Former Rep. Mel Reynolds. The Illinois Democrat was convicted of 12 counts of sexual assault with a 16-year-old. President Bill Clinton pardoned him before leaving office.
1. Sen. Teddy Kennedy. The liberal Massachusetts senator testified in defense of nephew accused of rape, invoking his family history to win over the jury in 1991.
Comment by Joe — October 4, 2006 @ 12:58 pm
Another example of “fair and balance ” news reporting from this great news organization. I smell SNOW job? Oh I forgot Tony “left” Fox News!
Comment by Michael — October 4, 2006 @ 12:58 pm
With our politics, who needs bin laden?!?!
Comment by J-Bird — October 4, 2006 @ 12:59 pm
Fair and Balanced apparently doesn’t mean Correct. Nice try Fox! I guess this is along the lines of Limbaugh and Hannity yesterday in their thinly veiled blaming of the victims.
Comment by Kiki — October 4, 2006 @ 1:00 pm
Hey Joe #271…..
So all that Democratic data means Foley should get a free pass? Mel Reynolds went to jail, and did time. He was not pardoned by BC for the sexual crap, so please get your facts right. So he did not escape punishment. And neither did his wife and two small kids.
You are perfectly alright to print this type data beacuse it is all evidence of arrogance and stupidity on behalf of people we elect. That said, if you want to print this stuff, just make sure you get the facts right. Thats whats wrong with most of the stuff on this page, its half baked and half wrong, on both sides.
But just because any of this stuff happened in the past, it does not condone anything like this now or in the future. If people scream loud enough, stuff changes, if they dont, then we just get more of the same. Foley was a known problem and the House leadership let him stay for political reasons.
The Biggest Boys Club in the world in on Capitol Hill, and as long as the American people let them make up the rules that suit them, this is the crap we’ll get, from both parties. If Foley was a C-Level exec, his ass would have been fired inside of two seconds because the corporation would be doing everything to avoid a revolt and a lawsuit.
The Hill on both sides seems to be immune from such concerns.
Comment by Pete Mohss — October 4, 2006 @ 1:01 pm
DAVE HAS THE BIN LADEN TALKING POINTS DOWN PAT. IT IS TRUELY AMAZING HOW MUCH THE DEMS AND RADICAL MUSLIMS SOUND ALIKE WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT BUSH OR AMERICA. DOWRIGHT SCARY.
Comment by Gibby — October 4, 2006 @ 1:02 pm
Seems to me somebody at CNN got fired over putting an X on Cheney’s head…
Comment by JC — October 4, 2006 @ 1:02 pm
to realistic: He didn’t admit it. Not for a full 24 hours, and even still he’s not out in front of the media (like CLinton). He lied, went to “rehab” (and said he was going to “correct behavior problems.”
Being gay is NOT a behavioral problem, you. are. born. gay…I truly wonder how many GOP have this same internal conflicts.
BTW, 18 is the age we allow children to start voting, because that is the best determination that we have to allow CHILDREN to mature and gain insight on good decision making.
Only a gay-bashing neo-con would blame a child.
Relationships in the work place are always inappropriate. Harassment from a superior, to a subordinate is ALWAYS inappropriate. Predatory sexual behavior from an adult to a 16 year old BOY…Well, folks, THAT’S AGAINST THE LAW.
Comment by Sick of GOP — October 4, 2006 @ 1:04 pm
Sick,
Like it or not 16 is the age of consent in DC.
As for Clinton admitting it, sheesh, didnt he go on tv, wag his finger and say I did not have sex with that woman? What a dam liar! Oh but thats your hero!
Comment by Christie — October 4, 2006 @ 1:06 pm
The moral of this entire debacle for Republicans and Democrats alike:
“Don’t throw stones if you live in a glass house”
Comment by Abdul — October 4, 2006 @ 1:06 pm
Dave,
If you believe a significant percentage of voters will be influenced by the FNC screw you, then explain a few facts for me.
Only about 60% of Americans eligible to vote actually bother to register to vote.
Less than 70% actually turn out to vote of the 60% of those that face the burdens register — simply telling the DMV clerk you want to register while renewing your driver’s license.
Of the 40% of Americans that vote (70% of the 60%) vote to elect the encumbent, regardless of how he/she has represented them.
Sorry, most Americans have not clue about current events, nor really know whether the person that vote for actually represents them.
If our government is not to our expectations, “We the People” are the only ones to blame. Democracy requires the people to take an active role in their goveernance, not just complaining when we elect losers to represent us.
Comment by Joseph — October 4, 2006 @ 1:08 pm
Funny, I’ve seen the “10 dem sex scandals” posted in these comments AT LEAST 3 times. Wonder why no one’s posted the GOP sex scandal sheet?
Try some of these on for size. Sick.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Republican+pedophiles
Comment by JW — October 4, 2006 @ 1:09 pm
As far as Fox sitting on the emails, I dont know. Maybe it is true, maybe they did not want to pull a Dan Rather CBS thing. They wanted to verify the validity. Do you people know how easy it is to creater false IM’s. If they had released them and they were false, that could lead to some major lawsuits. Now, as we have found out they are true, Foley did what all the other Dem sex offenders refused to do, HE STEPPED DOWN!!! What he did was sick and disgusting and he should pay for it. But why didnt Barney Frank pay for his actions, what about Fred Richmond, Gerry Studs or the Presidential pardon of Mel Reynolds. These were all democrats who actually acted on theri desires three of which were with UNDERAGED people. Get a life and find something noteworthy. You wacko dems will try anything to get an upperedge and as you can see, it still aint workin’. The American people are smart enough to realize the actions of one manwho calls himself a Republican does not represent the entire conservative movement.
Comment by Bob The Builder — October 4, 2006 @ 1:11 pm
Dear #281,
I love how every Republican keeps bringing up Gerry Studds as an example. Well you know what??? Reps. Dan Crane (R-Ill.) did the same exact thing in the same year. Neither of them were suspended but both ran for re-election. Studds won and Crane did not. So you conservative spin doctors can put that one in your pipe and smoke it.
Comment by JR — October 4, 2006 @ 1:11 pm
To Sick of GOP:
Doing a press release and appearing on camera saying “I did NOT have sex with that woman - Monica Lewensky….” doesn’t really sound like he was being up front about to me, but hey - I live in the real world. I am pretty sure, let me check, yep - Clinton strung his smoke campaign out for far longer than any 24 hours.
Bottom line - R or D, Gay or Straight, Man or Woman - what Foley did was wrong. If we focus on THAT and not the labels and the misdirections that we all take, MAYBE, just maybe - EVERYONE will get the message.
Comment by Realistic — October 4, 2006 @ 1:13 pm
It is sickening that Democrats sat on these emails and Instant Messages until just after it was too late to change the ballot in Florida for the election.
Of course, ABC News is not interested in that shocking scandal.
While GOP leaders did not have these emails and IM’s (just a vague comment about some unusual level of contact without details) clearly Democrats had the actual emails and IM’s for many months.
Democrats failed to protect children by reporting these, waiting for political advantage.
This is a crime in itself, called a misprison of a felony, the failure to report a felony.
Let us all hope that Democrats go to jail, along with Foley, for leaving children at risk while they waited for the moment of maximum political exploitation and opportunism just before the election.
Voters should kick these Democrat scum out of office, just as the GOP has shown their disgust with Mark Foley
Comment by Jonathon Moseley — October 4, 2006 @ 1:13 pm
How about the CNN “X” over Cheney’s face? Bash FOX for mislabeling…sure. Say it’s partisan…sure. Say that only Repulicans or FOX does it…nope…didn’t even start it.
Finally, Clinton wasn’t being censured for a consentual relationship. He was being censured as the head of the US military for commiting “adultry” and perjury. Both crimes carry a heavy penalty in the military.
Comment by colin — October 4, 2006 @ 1:14 pm
Bob the Builder #293
See #285
Comment by Dirka Dirkistan — October 4, 2006 @ 1:14 pm
Typical of Faux news to do something like this. If any of you think this is an accident I have some ocean front property to sell you in Arizona.
Comment by Mark — October 4, 2006 @ 1:14 pm
Hey thanks for the laugh everyone! If you all put this much energy into running for office, maybe we wouldn’t have people like the Foleys, Clintons, Kennedys, etc. in office. But then that isn’t as much fun as arm chair quarterbacking!
Comment by Amber — October 4, 2006 @ 1:16 pm
YIKES! These Senators DID KNOW what was going on with Foley in detail!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061004/ap_on_go_co/congress_iraq_victory_1
Comment by Senators KNEW what was going on w/ FOLEY! — October 4, 2006 @ 1:16 pm
The “moral” of this entire debacle is, don’t trust GOP leaders in Congress to protect minors from sexual predators, even if they campaign on “family values” and even if they help write the legislation that is supposed to protect minors from sexual predators!
Also, if you are a GOP-er, and you plead guilty to conpsiracy (Bob Ney in Ohio) or soliciting sex with male pages on cap hill (Foley), always claim that you have an alcohol problem!
(although, in Hastert’s defense, maybe he really did just not rememebr or comprehend being told about the guy - after all, this false patriot doesn’t even know the words to the national anthem!
Comment by JW — October 4, 2006 @ 1:17 pm
Mistake - nonsense. This is a simple subliminal message to try to attach Foley to the Democrats in the voters’ mind. Only Fox News could think of such a ploy.
Comment by Tom — October 4, 2006 @ 1:17 pm
I guess the republicans trying to bang little boys is their new campaign slogan and they even tried to cover it up?!? How’s that for moral values?!? So for the comparing Clinton to this, no matter how you look at it, Clinton got the smack down/punishment for what he did, and now Foley and republicans will get their’s in November.
Comment by MJ — October 4, 2006 @ 1:17 pm
10. Sen. Daniel Inouye. The 82-year-old Hawaii Democrat was accused in the 1990s by numerous women of sexual harassment. Democrats cast doubt on the allegations and the Senate Ethics Committee dropped its investigation.
9. Former Rep. Gus Savage. The Illinois Democrat was accused of fondling a Peace Corps volunteer in 1989 while on a trip to Africa. The House Ethics Committee decided against disciplinary action in 1990.
8. Rep. Barney Frank. The outspoken Massachusetts Democrat hired a male prostitute who ran a prostitution service from Frank’s residence in the 1980s. Only two Democrats in the House of Representatives voted to censure him in 1990.
7. Former Sen. Brock Adams. The late Washington Democrat was forced to stop campaigning after numerous accusations of drugging, assault and rape, the first surfacing in 1988.
6. Former Rep. Fred Richmond. This New York Democrat was arrested in 1978 for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old. He remained in Congress and won re-election—before eventually resigning in 1982 after pleading guilty to tax evasion and drug possession.
5. Former Rep. John Young. The late Texas Democrat increased the salary of a staffer after she gave in to his sexual advances. The congressman won re-election in 1976 but lost two years later.
4. Former Rep. Wayne Hays. The late Ohio Democrat hired an unqualified secretary reportedly for sexual acts. Although he resigned from Congress, the Democratic House leadership stalled in removing him from the Administration Committee in 1976.
3. Former Rep. Gerry Studds. He was censured for sexual relationship with underage male page in 1983. Massachusetts voters returned him to office for six more terms.
2. Former Rep. Mel Reynolds. The Illinois Democrat was convicted of 12 counts of sexual assault with a 16-year-old. President Bill Clinton pardoned him before leaving office.
1. Sen. Teddy Kennedy. The liberal Massachusetts senator testified in defense of nephew accused of rape, invoking his family history to win over the jury in 1991.
Comment by Kris — October 4, 2006 @ 1:18 pm
Yeah, the Conservative Machine is in full swing: “Let’s focus on how bad Foley is.’ Ignore that Congressional leaders knew this was going on for months (at least. Ignore that this perv was in charge of the Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children (he is certainly an expert, I guess). Ignore the fact that your talking heads are saying they think ABC folks might have paid these boys to ‘trap’ Foley (Do you HONESTLY not see the repugnant nature of that deflection?). I suppose by this weekend, Ann Coulter will be singing the ‘Foley couldn’t help it..these boys are HOT’ tune?
The Con’s love to legislate morality. They just have a hard time living by it.
Comment by Kiki — October 4, 2006 @ 1:18 pm
JC…and who at CNN would that be? Mr. Someone just doesn’t cut it….
Comment by Len — October 4, 2006 @ 1:19 pm
Jonathon Moseley - obviously gets his conspiracy theories straight from Rush and Kathryn Harris. You, my friend, are a dingbat!
ABC already dispelled that b.s.
Get informed.
Comment by JW — October 4, 2006 @ 1:19 pm
#287,
So by your logic someone should get fired for a keystroke. There is a big difference between a big black X and a keystroke. Careful, Dems are painting themselves into a corner. The real story should be the Dems voting against having a valid ID too vote. Wonder why????? Am I my brother’s keeper-guess not.
Comment by Mr. Wilson — October 4, 2006 @ 1:20 pm
Of course, Fox leans to the right - that’s why I watch it. And, CNN leans to the left - that’s why I don’t watch it.
How about you people who are bitching about what can be explained reasonably as a mistake go jump on the media who blatantly publish lies and inuendo.
Comment by Teresa — October 4, 2006 @ 1:20 pm
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Republican+pedophiles
Get over it GOPers.
Comment by JR — October 4, 2006 @ 1:21 pm
Congressman questions what Hastert knew
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061004/ap_on_go_co/congress_pages
Comment by Senators KNEW what was going on w/ FOLEY! — October 4, 2006 @ 1:21 pm
I’m sure this was an accident by Fox because this is typically the left’s territory, whether Mel Reynolds with underage page’s (girls), Gerry Studds with underage page’s (boys), Clinton raping or groping Broderick/Willey/Jones, or Kennedy leaving a girl to drown. If it was intentional, how’s it feel ole Dems? The mainstream press (ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, et al) has done this type of mislabeling to conservatives/Repubs for decades. And another thing, at least the “R’s” got rid of this a-hole when the allegations were confirmed by the IM’s. Much more than you can say for the “D’s” who would probably just trash this 16 yr old and continue in office…uh, see ole Mel Reynolds and Gerry Studds, again. I just love to see you “donkey’s” get all upset now that you don’t have a monopoly on the press anymore.
Comment by chris — October 4, 2006 @ 1:22 pm
Christie,
Let me help you out there. I didn’t go to Iraq, get your facts straight before wasting blog space. Learn to spell correctly, it’s rattled. Not addled. Did I say I thought CNN was a great news outlet you moron! How stupid to imply I have an opinion of CNN. Maybe I think they’re worst, you idiot. I have an opinion, this moment in time of FOX NEWS and that is my commentary. I also said, if you had READ the blog fully, that I don’t like Democrats either! I am NOT a Democrat. Enough with you R-Retards considering anyone who is not Republican a Dem or Liberal. It’s old!
But I understand your attack. What I said is the truth and it gets under your skin. The truth has that effect. Obviously you do not have much to say, so you craft a personal attack on me. Typical M.O. of pro-Bush pro-war sheeple, as I stated above. Personally I find you idiots such as Fireboy J. a threat to this country and I’m not going to stand by and let you retards run it into the ground. You people are dangerously diluded and soft in the head from decades of mind control. Enough is enough.
Comment by dave — October 4, 2006 @ 1:23 pm
Let me clue you all in on something to put things into perspective. Pedophelia, especially against young boys, is a very common and necessary practice for members of the occult as a means of gaining power. Many people in power in our governments and churches are serving a hidden master, and all of these sex and pedophile scandals are merely evidence that the powerful elite are satanic occultists.
This makes sense when you consider that the entire state of current events is playing out exactly in accordance to a well thought out agenda conceived hundreds of years ago by Albert Pike, a 33rd degree FreeMason and one of the first satanists in the US.
The point is, all this fingerpointing and blaming between Dems and Reps is pointless and exactly what they want you to be doing. You can’t see the big picture if you’re stuck in the mire of blaming each other for things that scream “They’re all evil”!! Instead, we should be preparing for the worse things in store that are yet to come.
Check out www.threeworldwars.com
Comment by Tony — October 4, 2006 @ 1:23 pm
I would like to see a campaign ad of the video of big Denny trying to sing the national anthem, and singing some Frank Zappa-esqe tune instead because he “couldnt recall” the words. If we have to deal with all this crap, then we should at least have some fun with it.
Comment by Sen. Morally Repugnant (R) Texas — October 4, 2006 @ 1:24 pm
I know that emai’s can be find or kept without making a special folder on your computer but didn’t know that about IM’s? Can they be saved without doing it on purpose? Plus I know I can be on my computer and some how answer my wife’s IM’s. Her buddies can connect me without her being around? Maybe Foley did the emails but someone else did the IM’s? He’s still slime ball. Now heading for cover with the democrat’s blaming the church and alcoholism. The Ted Kennedy defense. And that SLEAZA brian ross, if Foley is crimminally charged I hope they throw that worm brian in jail too for covering up evidence of a crime. So the little worm had this information when? What’s all this crap about “protecting the kids” when he sat on the IM’s. From what we know now, the only thing the House & Fox News and some other media outlets had were the emails. While they do not make Foley look good, they are hardly totally damming.
The guy after all is a homosexual. I’m waiting for the whackO doctors to come out and say that being a homosexual has nothing to do with being a child prediator.
Foley made the mistake of not being in a car and driving over a bridge drunk out of his mind. Then he’d be OK
Comment by Rickster — October 4, 2006 @ 1:26 pm
To Tom:
OH - now we have the conspiracy theory? FOX is trying to through votes to the GOP?!?! LOL! Oh I am am in pain from laughter. So lemme get this straight. A Dem is going to be watching FOX (like so many of them seem to do) - See the “D” next to Foley’s name - Know what the “D” means - - Find themselves suddenly stricken with a case of non-partisan morality - AND THEN, decide to vote straight down the ballot for Repulblicans? This is genius! Better than mass hypnosis! Wait - they probably did that too! You are getting sleeping, very sleepy…….. LOL
Comment by Realistic — October 4, 2006 @ 1:26 pm
Keep pushing the Studds envelope you morons. Once again, the GOP had a rep, Crane, in Illinois the same year, that did the same thing. They both weren’t repremended and both ran for re-election and Studds won and Crane did not.
They did the same thing!!!!!!!!!!! Your guy lost and now you use this as an example against the Democrats. It is so typcial.
Comment by JR — October 4, 2006 @ 1:26 pm
By the way, Bill Clinton having sex with A SUBORDINATE EMPLOYEE as THE BOSS of the White House is NOT consesual sex between adults. Feminists warn us of the power dynamic, some even claiming that all sex is rape.
The most powerful official on the planet preying upon the MOST VULNERABLE employee in the White House — an intern — IS NOT consensual sex between adults. It is an abuse of the power relaltionship between employee and employer. As such, it is FAR WORSE than sending EMAILS without actually meeting any of these boys.
Furthermore, Clinton then corrupted and perverted the legal system in a sexual harassment lawsuit — the darling legal action of the feminists that we are told is SO important — by a former employee when he was Governor who claimed Clinton sexually harassed her as well. Clinton’s PERJURY under oath, and attempts to pervert and destroy a female employee’s legal rights from his sexual harassment is far worse than simply TALKING about sex by email with NO personal contact whatsoever (that we know of).
Comment by Jonathon Moseley — October 4, 2006 @ 1:27 pm
Re: Fox News mis-labeling Foley as a Democrat.:
There’s probably enough gays over there too, so what of it.
(and what is FNC
Comment by smokey — October 4, 2006 @ 1:27 pm
Foley was a democrat before he switched party’s.This was old footage. Clinton cheated on his wife and daughter in my (white) house. A person that self indulgent can never be trusted.
Comment by scott — October 4, 2006 @ 1:28 pm
Why did you lie and say the “comments are coming in fast and furious”…..when as of 130pm there were no comments at all…..
You hyped the “story”(sic)……to no avail it appears….
Comment by Literary Genius — October 4, 2006 @ 1:29 pm
Dear Len, I was wrong:
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Internet_CNN_X_story_debunked_1122.html
Comment by JC — October 4, 2006 @ 1:31 pm
Dear Len, I was wrong:
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Internet_CNN_X_story_debunked_1122.html
Comment by JC — October 4, 2006 @ 1:31 pm
Perhaps the reason for the D is just typo. Three times, apparently.
Or it’s just a nice try to find SOME way to pin this on the Dem’s…even if it is through a mistake.
The Con’s just HATE it that another example of their malliable morality has been blatantly and unquestionably displayed so close to election time. Sure would suck if those one-way-or-another voters remember how many times in the past two years the Republicans have said/voted one way and their private lives, when exposed, display another. People remembering Foley-s folley at the voting booth is the last thing you guys need right now.
Just curious…how many of you Republican Party faitfuls would let Foley watch your kids? If you said ‘No,’ is this REALLY all about party bias?
Comment by Kiki — October 4, 2006 @ 1:33 pm
#309
Lets look at everything! CNN contended it was a “hardware/programming” error so why would anyone need to get fired? Which is it? Error or actions that require involvement (firing someone)? IF the “R” was placed puprosely, WHOEVER did it should be reprimanded accordingly. If that was the case, I am sure the DEMS would like to see this person hung or executed in public. If it would have been a Democrat in trouble and then mislabeled as “R” then that person would of course be nominated to run for Congress for the Dems. We in the real world cannot fathom the complexities required to dicern the difference of the two different scenarios.
Comment by Realistic — October 4, 2006 @ 1:35 pm
#318,
God bless you:)
#322,
That spooge stain on the floor of the Oval Office will one day be cordened off and represented as proud part of our history. Thanks for pointing out that it is our office.
Comment by J-Bird — October 4, 2006 @ 1:35 pm
Dave,
To muddle; confuse: “My brain is a bit addled by whiskey” Eugene O’Neill. See Synonyms at confuse.
That is from the dictionary.
Too bad you have to resort to name calling, it just proves that you do not have an intelligent argument to make. Typical liberal behavior, attack the person not the message.
Comment by Christie — October 4, 2006 @ 1:35 pm
The arrogance, intellectual feebleness, and dishonesty of liberals is frequently shown by silly blanket comments like “get informed” without offering any specifics. In order to live in their fantasy world, liberals must pretend that they are superior. Once we get into the world of facts, the liberal world comes crashing down. So, let me answer that it is I who am informed, and the commenter who is not informed. If you want to debate some specific point, then do so. However, once liberals get specific we all discover that they are wrong and cannot back up their hysteria with any facts. I assume that the poster is engaging in more lies and confusion about whether anyone other than Democrats had the actual emails and IM’s. Liberals cite to each other and call repeating falsehoods from one another “facts.” THE FACTS ARE THAT THE GOP LEADERSHIP *DID NOT* KNOW OF THE SEXUALLY EXPLICIT EMAILS AND IM’S, but were only told that Foley was showing unusual interest in one page in particular, and immediately told Foley to CUT IT OUT. THEN THE FAMILY ASKEDM THEM *NOT TO PURSUE IT ANY FURTHER* FOR THE PRIVACY OF THE BOY. GOP leaders acted appropriately based upon what they knew at the time.
Democrats, by contrast, clearly had the actual emails and IM’s and sat on them for many months and released them just before the election. DEMOCRATS ARE SLIMEBALLS, just like Rep. Reynolds who had sex with a 17 year old page and was pardoned by Clinton.
Comment by Jonathon Moseley — October 4, 2006 @ 1:36 pm
*Puts on tin foil hat*
It’s amazing what a person will do for a little soros moolah!
*Takes off tin foil hat and places it on altar with pic of Fox Mulder.
Comment by Timot — October 4, 2006 @ 1:36 pm
Smokey,
FNC an acronym for “Foxnews Channel.” Sorry for the confusion, but FNC is commonly used to reference Foxnews.
Comment by Joseph — October 4, 2006 @ 1:37 pm
Maybe Foley can watch your kids while Slick Willey takes your wife out for a “date”!
Comment by Len — October 4, 2006 @ 1:37 pm
As a very conservative Christian, Mark Foley is a scumbag and resigned and may/may not be charged with illegal activity. When was the last time a democrat did that? For all you “tolerant” democrats, which is worse the act or the hypocrisy(is Mark Foley a very conservative rep?)? and if it’s the act, democrats have don far worse (chappquitick) and if it’s the hypocrisy, why does Joe biden, hilary Clinton always get a pass with insensitive statements but George Allen doesnt
Comment by Randall — October 4, 2006 @ 1:38 pm
Some Humor:
I do wish Monty Python was still at it today, beacuse you cant make up stuff this good. Those guys would be having a field day with this.
Serious note:
It is really revealing that there is just so much vitriol on this blog today. Why is it that is appears that neither sides dogs can get enough red meat out of this thing. IMHO, both sides are contaminated and corrupt. If one starts from that premise, a solution appears more attainable.
Samuel Clements once wrote, and I quote loosely, that “there is nothing wrong in Washington that 300 funerals wouldnt cure”. He wrote that quite some time ago, and while noone is advocating anything other than a funeral for a political mindset, his words, humorous at the time, seem oddly true today.
It appears, that for both parties, a big housecleaning is needed. Sometimes the only real solution is to clean house, and the senate.
Wake up folks, this isnt about one party or the other, its about both needing to be overhauled.
By the way, why do we think that the 18-24 year old vote is so lackluster? Why dont they GAS? Maybe all this is why.
Comment by Dr. Murky Research — October 4, 2006 @ 1:39 pm
I love how people try to see a conspiracy about things. CNN, MSNBC, the networks - all of them make stupid mistakes. With all of the people that go into something, it’s bound to happen once in a while.
As for FoxNews not running the ORIGINAL emails, neither did 3 newspapers and the FBI said they were innocuous and not worth persuing.
Please, don’t try laying an angle on EVERYTHING. What Foley did is bad enough without making a political issue of it.
Besides, there is a liberal slant to network news in general (not my conclusion, but that of investigative organizations such as Fairness in Media). If Fox decides to be “fair and balanced”, it will APPEAR biased to those who are used to hearing only one side of an issue.
Comment by Robert Nunemkaer — October 4, 2006 @ 1:39 pm
It just goes to show homosexuals shoudn’t be put in a postion of authority over you men(ie Boy Scouts)
Comment by Randall — October 4, 2006 @ 1:41 pm
#333.
Taking my wife on a date(as a single hetero woman, I’ll let the ignorant generalization pass) and initiating sexual discussions with minors are two entirely different things. Both might be wrong, but one of those is most definitely illegal….
Comment by Kiki — October 4, 2006 @ 1:41 pm
Amazing.
Recently a study showed that people get an endorphin rush when they successfully ignore new information that counters their existing beliefs.
Judging from that I’d say the GOP supporters here are _awash_ in endorphines since they’re so successfully 1) ignoring the problem, 2) finding ways to blame democrats instead, and 3) adeptly changing the subject.
Really pathetic, you bunch of howling monkeys.
Comment by Bob Billfour — October 4, 2006 @ 1:43 pm
I love it when democrats are saying how horrible he is as apedophile, maybe now they’ll side with us and lock up true sexual predators. If that happens Mark Foley will have done more for kids than any head start program.
Comment by Randall — October 4, 2006 @ 1:44 pm
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Republican+pedophiles
Comment by JR — October 4, 2006 @ 1:46 pm
Big Deal. It was a stupid mistake, man you people are paranoid
Comment by Craig — October 4, 2006 @ 1:47 pm
KiKi: Just trying to show the absurdity of asking the question “would you let Foley watch your kids”. As far as illegality….so is lying under oath.
Comment by Len — October 4, 2006 @ 1:47 pm
Here is the difference between what most of us Republicans are saying and what most of the democrats are saying. WE ALL AGREE THAT WHAT FOLEY DOD WAS WRONG!!! Both Reps and Dems are agreeing on this point. The difference is that when a Dem has done something wrong, he/she is defended til the bitter end. Most Reps believe Foley should have stepped down and should be punished as I do. Howeverwhen it comes to majority of Dems, they defend their candidate and start trying to point fingers at Reps mistakes in order to justify their own. The only fingers Reps are pointing are at the Dems who were not penalized or asked to resign. We simply want to know WHY? Why does the Rep have to step down and the dems didnt. Isnt that somewhat inconsistent? Why not believe as most Reps do? Anyone regardless of affiliation should step down in a situation such as Foley’s.
Comment by Bob The Builder — October 4, 2006 @ 1:48 pm
hey Bob what is the problem, the party mis identification, CBS has done that as well. At least Fox didnt forge documents
Comment by Randall — October 4, 2006 @ 1:49 pm
Let’s throw a bone to the actual topic of this thread, FNC’s designation of Foley for a brief moment as a D. Yet put this in context and remember the slimeball tactics of the Democrats. Breaking this news just AFTER the deadline for changing the ballot means that Republican voters must vote for Mark Foley in order to actually vote for his replacement candidate. Confusing the voters that Foley is a D will not help. People voting for the non-Foley candidate will actually be voting for the DEMOCRAT! Since Foley’s line on the ballot is in fact the Republican vote for Foley’s replacement, anything that encourages people to NOT vote for Foley actually HURTS the Republican substitute candidate’s opportunities to get elected. Voters must vote for the Republican on the ballot, Mark Foley, to elect a Republican substitute.
Comment by Jonathon Moseley — October 4, 2006 @ 1:50 pm
Hey you democrats who think your party is moral! Do you really think we have forgot about the following?
10. Sen. Daniel Inouye. The 82-year-old Hawaii Democrat was accused in the 1990s by numerous women of sexual harassment. Democrats cast doubt on the allegations and the Senate Ethics Committee dropped its investigation.
9. Former Rep. Gus Savage. The Illinois Democrat was accused of fondling a Peace Corps volunteer in 1989 while on a trip to Africa. The House Ethics Committee decided against disciplinary action in 1990.
8. Rep. Barney Frank. The outspoken Massachusetts Democrat hired a male prostitute who ran a prostitution service from Frank’s residence in the 1980s. Only two Democrats in the House of Representatives voted to censure him in 1990.
7. Former Sen. Brock Adams. The late Washington Democrat was forced to stop campaigning after numerous accusations of drugging, assault and rape, the first surfacing in 1988.
6. Former Rep. Fred Richmond. This New York Democrat was arrested in 1978 for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old. He remained in Congress and won re-election—before eventually resigning in 1982 after pleading guilty to tax evasion and drug possession.
5. Former Rep. John Young. The late Texas Democrat increased the salary of a staffer after she gave in to his sexual advances. The congressman won re-election in 1976 but lost two years later.
4. Former Rep. Wayne Hays. The late Ohio Democrat hired an unqualified secretary reportedly for sexual acts. Although he resigned from Congress, the Democratic House leadership stalled in removing him from the Administration Committee in 1976.
3. Former Rep. Gerry Studds. He was censured for sexual relationship with underage male page in 1983. Massachusetts voters returned him to office for six more terms.
2. Former Rep. Mel Reynolds. The Illinois Democrat was convicted of 12 counts of sexual assault with a 16-year-old. President Bill Clinton pardoned him before leaving office.
1. Sen. Teddy Kennedy. The liberal Massachusetts senator testified in defense of nephew accused of rape, invoking his family history to win over the jury in 1991.
America has not forgot them!
Comment by Kent — October 4, 2006 @ 1:51 pm
But the reporters who broke this story have discredited this conspiracy theory:
ABC investigative journalist Brian Ross:
Ross dismissed suggestions by some Republicans that the news was disseminated as part of a smear campaign against Mr. Foley.
“I hate to give up sources, but to the extent that I know the political parties of any of the people who helped us, it would be the same party,” Mr. Ross said, referring to Republicans. [Link]
ABC producer Maddy Sauer:
They were passed to a colleague of mine from a source, not someone from a Democratic campaign, a source on the Hill. And when we talked to Foley’s office about those emails, they seemed to know all about them. “It’s no big deal. He is overly friendly. He’s overly engaging. If he’s guilty of anything, that’s all he’s guilty of. He’s very close with the pages. He has worked with the page program for some time.”
So we published that story, and then almost immediately we began receiving emails from former pages, some going back as far as five years, who said this is the tip of the iceberg. There is so much more here. [Link]
www.thinkprogrsss.org
Comment by JW — October 4, 2006 @ 1:51 pm
Democrats have their pedohphiles. Gerry Studds and Mel Reynolds
Comment by Randall — October 4, 2006 @ 1:52 pm
“THE REPUBLICANPEDOHILES LIST”
Some on this list have been completely cleared as false accusations were made. Many are also not even politicians, but merely people who call themselves republicans. Finally, the ones who were at fault eithered stepped down on their own or if there was nothing to step down from, they were penalized for their actions. Still, as a Republican, I will admit that everyone of them who were at fault deserved to be punsihed. I still ask, why dont you Dems think your culprits deserve punishment?
Comment by Bob The Builder — October 4, 2006 @ 1:52 pm
#343. Well, you certainly are a good little conservative, aren’t you! I use YOUR words to illustrate a point, and, falling in line like the good Con solder you are, bring up Clinton’s lying under oath…which has NOTHING to do with Foley’s ‘virtual’ molestation of kids…NOTHING to do with his parties leaders keeping THAT quiet..it’s your standard argument popped out to deflect from your own partie’s foibles.
So, stick to the argument at hand…unless of course you can’t because it exposes your party and it’s hypocritical stance on morality.
Comment by Kiki — October 4, 2006 @ 1:54 pm
#344 — excellent point, Bob. Same with Trent Lott having to step down as Senate Majority Leader for praising Strom Thurmand at his freakin’ birthday party. But when a Democrat made the exact same kind of speech about Robert Byrd, a Democrat from WV, and former Clansman, there was NOTHING done. I’m sick of the liberal double-standard. Democrats think Fox News isn’t fair and balanced because they’re so far to the left that middle-of-the-road looks far right to them.
Comment by David — October 4, 2006 @ 1:57 pm
One positive thing that radical Islam has over the American justice system…these corrupt politicians would have been be-headed already.
Comment by colin — October 4, 2006 @ 1:58 pm
When kids question the conventional street wisdom foisted upon them by friends / acquiantances at school and elsewhere, rather than blindly following the pack, most parents normally reward and encourage that behavior.
How is it then that in the current age, anyone that questions the conventional wisdom of the day, on either side is systematically flayed to ribbons, and regarded as a terrorist, communist, coddler, apologist, liberal, neo-con, idiot, sheep, etc?
It seems to me that the inmates are now running the asylum. WE teach our kids to stand up and think for themselves and meanwhile we run out and act like infants that are scared of the dark.
Determining right from wrong begins early, and it does not look like we are doing a good job of making that so.
There is right and wrong to be known, and some things are never right, while others are never wrong. But neither does one part of a society own the rights to both.
Comment by M.A. Dillon / Washington DC — October 4, 2006 @ 1:58 pm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/04/AR2006100400287.html
Too Bad Apple of the NYT died, he’d have a field day with the Foley story.
Comment by Craig — October 4, 2006 @ 1:58 pm
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Republican+pedophiles
Comment by JR — October 4, 2006 @ 1:58 pm
ISN’T IT INTERESTING THAT WHEN AN OLD MAN SLEEPS WITH A 17 YEAR OLD GIRL, HE ISN’T CALLED A PEDOPHILE. BUT WHEN ITS A GUY SLEEPING WITH A 17 YEAR OLD BOY ITS CALLED PEDOPHILIA. CALL IT WHAT IT IS……….HOMO!!!
Comment by D CONNOR — October 4, 2006 @ 1:59 pm
“I’m sick of the liberal double-standard”.
Is that like putting a child predator in charge of a caucus on Missing and Exploited Children?
Comment by Kiki — October 4, 2006 @ 1:59 pm
Admit it! Republicans are lying, cheating, hypocritical, corrupt, warmongering pedophiles and Democrats are the only ones capable of running this country. The only reason Bush got elected is Karl Rove’s hateful, lying campaign strategies.
Comment by Jonathan — October 4, 2006 @ 2:00 pm
351
One person does not define the entire party, come on!
Every R has called him reprehensible, sick etc.
The difference is that R’s resign and D’s are defended.
Comment by Christie — October 4, 2006 @ 2:00 pm
Oh but Clinton, blah, blah, blah. Didn’t care then, don’t care now. “But look what Bubba did!” is not an argument for anything except justifying you delusions about your supposed moral authority. Sleep tight, our troops in Iraq are keeping the barbarians out. Everything’ll be okay because the price of gas came down for the moment. Sleep tight because you’re right.
Comment by Myshinymetalhiney — October 4, 2006 @ 2:01 pm
So Kiki is sending text messages to an underage kid worse than actually having sex with an underage kid (Again Gerry Studds and Mel Reynolds) Why didnt the dems have outrage at this behavior?
Comment by Randall — October 4, 2006 @ 2:02 pm
“One person does not define the entire party, come on!
”
Two words: Karl Rove!
Comment by Kiki — October 4, 2006 @ 2:02 pm
FOLEY WAS A DEMOCRAT ORIGINALLY.
Comment by Mike — October 4, 2006 @ 2:02 pm
“Taking my wife on a date(as a single hetero woman, I’ll let the ignorant generalization pass) and initiating sexual discussions with minors are two entirely different things. Both might be wrong, but one of those is most definitely illegal…. ” it’s time to step away from the bong babe…dont you remember typing this?
Comment by Len — October 4, 2006 @ 2:04 pm
Myshinny, if this stuff isnt important and you dont care, then shut up and dont say anything. You only care about privacy when it’s a dem in trouble and you only care about morality when it’s a rep in trouble, sounds like you’re the hypocrit
Comment by Randall — October 4, 2006 @ 2:05 pm
WHY DO ALL YOU GOP’ERS KEEP BRINGING UP STUDDS???? IN THE SAME YEAR, DANE CRANE (REP ILL) DID THE SAME DAMN THING!!!! HE ALSO RAN FOR RE-ELECTION AND LOST!!! SO NOW YOU SPIN STUDDS AS AN EXAMPLE BECAUSE YOUR CANDIDATE WAS TOO INCOMPETENT TO GET RE-ELECTED. THE SPIN DOCTORS NEVER CEASE TO AMAZE ME.
Comment by JR — October 4, 2006 @ 2:05 pm
All of you Dems who keep bringing up the Reps keeping the situation quiet is not at all substantiated by any evidence. Lets use a little common sense. It is obvious that the word would get out eventually. My question is if they knew, why would it not get out in time for the Reps to place another candidate in line to fill his position? I think the Dems knew something and sat on the info until the deadline passed so that the Reps could not put another candidate ion the running for the office.
Comment by Bob The Builder — October 4, 2006 @ 2:06 pm
Hey mike you moron, it doesn`t matter if he was democrat originally he isn`t now. What is fox going to do when the dems take over. I can see the panic now!
Comment by joel — October 4, 2006 @ 2:09 pm
Is this the new family values platform the Republicans are promoting this election year? Fun.
Comment by steve — October 4, 2006 @ 2:09 pm
to # 346: So was Joe Lieberman!
Comment by JW — October 4, 2006 @ 2:10 pm
KIKI, you’re right one word defines trhe democrat party “Chappaquittock”
Comment by Randall — October 4, 2006 @ 2:10 pm
Kiki,
Use the entirity of his deeds when you judge Foley. He co-authored (I believe), and fought to get legislation protecting our children — a law that he very likely will be charged for violating. Somehow Foley was able to rise above his own sick desires and work hard to something good and right. His efforts, obviously contrary to his inner thoughts, were nobel, despite conflicting with his darker side.
Comment by Joseph — October 4, 2006 @ 2:13 pm
#367,
One of the pages were male (D) and one was Female(R). One was ashamed of what he had done (R) and one turned his back on censure and recieved three standing ovations for doing so(D).
Comment by J-Bird — October 4, 2006 @ 2:14 pm
JR who the heck is Dane Crane? I remeber Buzz Lukens, he RESIGNED like he should have. Studds ran a PROSTITUTON ring from his Washington apartment (underage was incuded), he was by far the worst of the lot, NOT A SINGLE peep from the dems AGAINST him.
Comment by Randall — October 4, 2006 @ 2:15 pm
As a republican, I am saddened by the way my fellow party members are handling this. Do you not realize you trying to justify the behavior of Foley by bringing up past Democratic sexual foibles proves the point that we dodge issues and avoid the problem.
I can only hope you people who call yourselves ‘republicans’ never have to help your child through an episode of being preyed upon by an adult. This is not an issue about party lines. It’s an issue about right and wrong. Period!
Comment by Michelle — October 4, 2006 @ 2:15 pm
RE:#373 You have got to be kidding me???!!!! Did someone really just write that? I am printing that one out and saving it. All of sudden we have Republicans granting Foley with some sort of martyr status. Now who is sounding like Al-Queda
Comment by JR — October 4, 2006 @ 2:16 pm
Reading some of the other posts I ask what doesn CNN have to do with this? This happened on FNC, so that makes it FNC’s fault. AND yes i know other media didnt make light of the emails when they were given them BUT this is about FNC not them. I wonder why FNC didnt run with the story. It would have been a BIG thing for them…BUT ABC is now getting the credit of bringing the situation to light. SO now everybody thinks the dems are making this an attack on the november elections. AND I believe there’s a BIG difference between consensual sex amongst adults AND flirting with young, underage boy interns.
Comment by Stud — October 4, 2006 @ 2:17 pm
In 1994, news emerged that Democratic Rep. Mel Reynolds had a consensual sexual relationship with Beverly Heard beginning when she was 16. Heard said Reynolds gave her cash at each meeting and supplied her with his pager number and apartment keys. In taped phone conversations, they even plotted group sex with a 15-year-old Catholic high school girl Heard had said wanted to have sex with him. The infamous Reynolds reply: “Did I win the Lotto?” He asked Heard to take photos of the girl’s private parts. Reynolds was convicted of criminal sexual assault, obstruction of justice, and solicitation of child pornography. The networks barely touched on this story as it broke in 1994, and ended with conviction in 1995, which is why, dear reader, I bet you don’t even remember it.
Did the Democrats believe in holding Reynolds accountable? Bill Clinton pardoned him as he left office in 2001. He then went to work as a consultant for Jesse Jackson.
Comment by Al — October 4, 2006 @ 2:19 pm
I’m a registered republican, father of two who happens to live in Foley’s district and I’m repulsed by his despicable actions and the GOP leaderships reaction to them. This is not a democrat/republican issue as there are MANY conservative republicans now asking for Hasterts resignation. There are some (on both sides) who will never believe anything that is contrary to their beliefs that have been partly brainwashed into them by the parties and I think that is sad, just look at some of the rediculous comments using moral relativsm to explain away this pediphiles actions as well as the party leaderships actions. Personally I don’t see what the Democrats have done in the past has to do with this, I thought we stood for traditional family values?
Comment by lee ward — October 4, 2006 @ 2:19 pm
#374
Why does the sex matter first of all? If you are implying that the homosexual offense was worse, then……well…..uh, can you say Foley?
Secondly, both ran for re election. Both ran! Crane lost. Studds won. What would you be saying if the tables were turned?
Spin it…..come on…..keep spinning it!
And who was or who wasn’t truly sorry for the actions. Give me a break.
Comment by JR — October 4, 2006 @ 2:20 pm
I can hardly believe this was an “accident”. I agree with the previous comment that it is an attempt to confuse the uneducated and uninformed about his party affiliation. In respose to the comment about it just being a mistake and that we are all parenoid? I suggest you do your research on FOX news!!!
Comment by Lisa — October 4, 2006 @ 2:21 pm
If I recall correctly the current Perve just had email and IM sex - still crude and wrong… but no touching!!!
So, Dem’s before you jump on your soap box to condem anyone take a look in your own backyard first…. thank you very much.
Comment by Al — October 4, 2006 @ 2:22 pm
#375,
That was Barney Frank whose boyfriend ran a male prostitution ring from his apartment. Where is Frank now??? Still in office. Who needs bin laden? He must be laughing his arse off.
Comment by J-Bird — October 4, 2006 @ 2:22 pm
Typical Democrat http://www.wchstv.com/newsroom/eyewitness/0609/060928-1.shtml Watch the video…LOL!
Comment by Timot — October 4, 2006 @ 2:23 pm
Shows even FOX knows how stupid and gullible their viewers are.
Comment by Lance — October 4, 2006 @ 2:23 pm
I love the way everyone seems to forget that Clinton broke the law - committed perjury (lied under oath for all those democrats out there who don’t know what perjury is)- which is why he was IMPEACHED. democrats want to believe it was about a BJ… They admire men who get BJs by young impressionable women in places of power….Just like they admired mel reynolds and Gerry Studds and still admire all the Kennedy rapists and murderers.
Comment by LP — October 4, 2006 @ 2:23 pm
Umm…. you lying liberals that are pounding Fox and calling people idiots over the above picture….
You see, Mr. Foley WAS A DEMOCRAT before he changed parties: as a Floridian, I remember that, so the above pix was accurate at THAT TIME. Fox removed the caption on the rebroadcast, though if they did not identify and openly retract the misrepresentation, shame on them - they’re acting just like the liberal news outlets.
That’s the facts, folks, look ‘em up. Whups, sorry, this blog is definitely not interested in facts…
Comment by Charles — October 4, 2006 @ 2:24 pm
The Dems, what a group. First, let me start by saying that both Foley and Clinton were wrong. I will even say that Foley is worse. Now lets compare both cases. Foley gets caught, too late I may add, and resigns no longer to be in Congress. Clinton gets caught, lies, attempts to change definition of a sexual relationship, lies some more, lies some more, and then admits lies, after DNA, and then will only admit to an inappropriate relationship. He remained President and turned the position of leader of the free world into a joke. The Dems. They are always good for a laugh, but the scary thing is they may be in charge soon. As far as Fox goes, at least there is some truth on this network, the others should just be on the Dems payroll.
Comment by DAM — October 4, 2006 @ 2:24 pm
Wow, these blogs have drifted, or been forcefully propelled, across a lot of territory. Let’s see–the original issue was whether FNC showed a Democratic affiliation on purpose, and whether removing the party affiliation is really a correction. I think 10% of you folks looked at that. My take: Fairly childish and ineffective if on purpose, or very sloppy editing and low production values if it was not. The remaining 90% go on to use their pet icons: republican hypocracy or democratic immorality, historical examples of dubious relevance or accuracy, or whatever to bash at each other. Sort of entertaining, I suppose, but they earn very low marks for debating style, etiquette, or effectiveness. Oh, and one more thing. I served in the military for over 20 years, and I’m pretty sure that the President, even as the CINC, is still a civilian and not subject to the UCMJ. Remember civilian control of the military?
Comment by Meade — October 4, 2006 @ 2:26 pm
Registered Republican. Father of a 15 year old son. Am ashamed of the people who say they represent my party as they try to find ways to polish this turd. Yesterday, as I listened to Rush, then Sean Hannity, almost at the same time in their programs, they came up with different ways to say ‘maybe these kids were put up to this.’ Depending on the hour, Foley was 1.) mollested, 2.) an alcoholic, 3.) victim of his clergy. Disgusting.
But, while I think the Democrats have been just as disgusting in the past, the media culture we live in has changed. When FDR was president, few people even knew he couldn’t walk. When the conservatives here bring up past Democratic transgressions, it was during times the media wasn’t as pervasive as it is today. Actual family values went into what was fit to report.
Today, anything goes. And it’s sad that this is the case.
Comment by Burt — October 4, 2006 @ 2:28 pm
#381,
“And who was or who wasn’t truly sorry for the actions. Give me a break.”
So by your logic turning your back on censure means he was truly sorry for what he had done. Who’s spinning who.
Comment by J-Bird — October 4, 2006 @ 2:29 pm
For the troll…
You want spin, you say the Democrat got reelected and the Republican did not.
I guess Republican’s actually have values and don’t support molestors, rapists, etc.
For your district, I guess you voted to reelect a child molestor? Where’s your values?
Comment by colin — October 4, 2006 @ 2:30 pm
380 we do stand for traditional family values. Foely resigned and may be prosecuted depending on what lawas he broke. Story should end there, but democrats keep bringing this up, when again they have had congressmen do it and not make a peep about it. To them the actual issue isnt bad, it’s just a way to make rep look bad, that’s the only reason they talk about it. They never criticize other democrats, let alone actaully talk about prosecution, resignation or any other penalty for bad behavior.
Comment by Randall — October 4, 2006 @ 2:30 pm
That faint crackling sound you hear in the background….? the sound of scores of democrat congressmen and their staffers hitting “delete” over and over and over, erasing their harddrives of all IMs and emails.
Comment by observer — October 4, 2006 @ 2:38 pm
#393
I’m simply defending the fact that there was a Republican convicted of the very same thing that Studds was, in the same year. I’m not saying either of them were right, in fact they were both wrong for their actions……but I’ve seen at least a dozen posts referencing Studds in this chain. My point is, Reps had the same problem in the same year so stop pointing fingers. Its not like Crane tearfully stepped down and resigned. He also ran for re-election. He is no better or no worse than Studds.
Comment by JR — October 4, 2006 @ 2:39 pm
I am not a Republican or a Democrat I am a real live dues paying Libertarian. Here are 3 points
First, Foley WAS a democrat years ago (I think it was 8 years ago he changed), so it is not too difficult to imagine Fox making an honest mistake.
Second Bill Clinton was on his way to immpeachment due to perjury. For which he was cited and fined by a Democratic judge HE appointed, and had his law license revoked in his home state.
Foley is scum, but give this much credit to the Republicans, they made him resign. The Democrats have had a number of these (Mel Reynolds, etc) and not ONLY don’t they resign, they get re-elected.
Comment by Mark Boyles — October 4, 2006 @ 2:40 pm
We really got to love you liberal sheep out there. You drag out a some old footage the has nothing to do with any current issue and you run to the bank with it. Here’s a little tip for you: It ain’t worth the video tape it was recorded on. You people applauded when CNN flashed an X on cheney’s face. BAA AA AA AA
And, just to set the record straight, Clinton was impeached for ‘High Crimes and Misdemeanor’. It is a high crime to purjure yourself in a federal hearing. It is against the expected demeanor of the president of the united states to deny another citizens right to a fare trial, as he did to Paula Jones. And, yes, It is against the expected demeanor of the president of the united states states to carry on an ellicit affair. Maybe you’ll be saticfied to know that, while he probably did rape Quanita Broadrick, he didn’t get caught. You probably feel all warm inside now.
Comment by J_Dub — October 4, 2006 @ 2:42 pm
Btw… it’s the bush-bashing liberal leftist socialists out there (yeah you!) who are being the sheeple on this issue. Stop the hyperbole. Foley is an ass and deserved what he got but you all are trying to politicize this issue just so you can get your green-party, pro-labor, pro-socialist agenda put forward. You all make me sick.
Comment by Jim — October 4, 2006 @ 2:45 pm
Bob the Builder,
Guess your running for office at your local Nambla chapter.
Comment by Robert Jenkins — October 4, 2006 @ 2:45 pm
Does everyone forget the fact that DEMOCRATS as well as REPUBLICANS saw the same intel on Iraq?
That murderer Bush, I can’t believe he pulled the wool over the eyes of every Senator who saw the same intel.
To continue the parallels between these extremely different parties. Look at the sex scandals on the Democrats side. Gerry Studds is my favorite. (even more so than Reynolds)
The ONLY difference between both parties is that Republicans have to walk a tight line when they are caught do to their base.
Comment by SF — October 4, 2006 @ 2:49 pm
Can someone provide a url when Foley was supposedly a Democrat? He wasn’t his entire congressional career.
Comment by Robert — October 4, 2006 @ 2:49 pm
I think Foley should be tried and sentenced to death. Then the Democrats would defend him.
Comment by MSJ — October 4, 2006 @ 2:50 pm
16 is the legal age of consent in D.C.?!!? Who would’ve made that a law… wait a sec — nevermind. (kind of ironic, isn’t it?)
Who the heck is born gay? Let me break this down ‘Barney-style’…
Take 3 islands -
On island #1 - put 10 gay males
On island #2 - put 10 gay females
On island #3 - put 10 heterosexuals (5 males/5 females)
Check on those 3 islands in 100 years and see which one still has people.
Comment by Brian — October 4, 2006 @ 2:51 pm
you dems yap it up. the bushies are building interment camps and ovens right now. we have a spot in the boxcars for all of you.
Comment by jim — October 4, 2006 @ 2:52 pm
Bull. No way was this any kind of “honest mistake”. Fox News is just showing its true stripes once again - they’re a total mouthpiece for the RNC and it’s totally pathetic. What a bunch of losers. Mark Foley is a Republican, and represents everything that’s wrong with the GOP. They’re a bunch of hypocrites and losers, claiming the moral high ground when they’re rotten from the inside out. They are beneath contempt, unworthy of our attention, without possibliity of redemption.
Comment by LS — October 4, 2006 @ 2:54 pm
Why am I not suprised.
Comment by steve wessel — October 4, 2006 @ 2:56 pm
they should round up blog comment extremists and lobotomize them, their contribution to society would remain the same
Comment by john — October 4, 2006 @ 2:59 pm
If this footage is old enough it could very easily have been a mistake. The footage could have been from when Foley was a Democrat prior to his party switch. I know you would like to believe everyone who works for Fox has an agenda but a more likely explantion is the footage was labeled Foley (D) and whoever put the lower third on was on autopilot and just went off how the old footage was labeled without thinking, I’m sure we have all done it in our own jobs. I do not believe anyone who watches any news anywhere does not know Foley is now a Republican.
Comment by steve — October 4, 2006 @ 2:59 pm
JR,
With all due respect. Foley is the story now. What he did was wrong. If you really want political unity as in One America let him who has not sinned cast the first stone. I am repulsed by what Foley has done not only to the page(s?) but to America. I can’t help but feel a little suspect about the timing of this whole thing. If this was held for an election cycle at the cost of potentially exposing another young adult(minor) to this man then more than one crime has been committed. I Love all Americans whether I agree with them or not, and no I don’t want your budlight.
Comment by J-Bird — October 4, 2006 @ 3:00 pm
….Hmmmmmm…Love this one.
“Who the heck is born gay? Let me break this down ‘Barney-style’…
Take 3 islands -
On island #1 - put 10 gay males
On island #2 - put 10 gay females
On island #3 - put 10 heterosexuals (5 males/5 females)
Check on those 3 islands in 100 years and see which one still has people.”
….How about adding a few more islands?
….On island #4 - put 10 Heterosexual males
….On island #5 - put 10 Heterosexual females
….Now Come back in 100 Years and check those islands.
….Barney need to learn real science.
Comment by Bob L. — October 4, 2006 @ 3:01 pm
Even though FNC knew of the e-amils a year ago, they reportedly did not know of the instant messages. It is the message content, not the e-mail content, that was inappropriate.
Comment by Steve — October 4, 2006 @ 3:06 pm
The democrat feeding-frenzy over this is exceeded only by their breathtaking hypocrisy. The difference in most Republicans and most Democrats is honor. Deservedly (Foley, Nixon) or undeservedly (Gingrich, Lott) Republicans put the country first and resign or step down in the face of controversy. For some democrats, public service is one big ego trip - Bill Clinton could have spared the country immeasurable damage (his fault not Starr’s) by stepping down but in his mind it was all about him - not the country. Gerry Studds has sex with a minor boy and had the GALL to be offended when Congress called him on it - and he gets re-elected! Barney Frank lets his gay lover run a male whorehouse out of his basement and uses his influence to fix tickets for him and he’s STILL the toast of the left! I am by no means defending Foley but I sure don’t want hear ANYTHING from any dems about moral indignation - your party has been morally bankrupt for decades.
Comment by Kris — October 4, 2006 @ 3:06 pm
And for the idiot who posted at #372, at least learn to spell if you’re going to haul up crap from almost FORTY YEARS AGO. It’s Chappaquidick, you moron. If you can spell it right, at least you’ll look slightly less like the complete moron that you are.
Comment by LS — October 4, 2006 @ 3:07 pm
This is a perect example of lideral comment.
#405
Bull.(opinion) No way was this any kind of “honest mistake”.(opinion) Fox News is just showing its true stripes once again(opinion)- they’re a total mouthpiece for the RNC (opinion)and it’s totally pathetic.(opinion) What a bunch of losers.(opinion) Mark Foley is a Republican (fact), and represents everything that’s wrong with the GOP.(Opinion) They’re a bunch of hypocrites (opinion)and losers(opinion), claiming the moral high ground when they’re rotten from the inside out(opinion). They are beneath contempt(opinion), unworthy of our attention(opinion), without possibliity of redemption(opinion).
I guess I could say that the females in your family copulate with donkeys in Mexico. It’s just my opinion, but by your own terms it must be true.
Comment by J_Dub — October 4, 2006 @ 3:09 pm
From a legal point of view, at least in Kansas, a man of Foley’s age who has sex with a 16 year old boy would get about 25 years in prison. A man who has sex with a 22 year old woman? Um, its NOT A CRIME.
Comment by Kim — October 4, 2006 @ 3:09 pm
Too many of you are missing the point. Wheter they are Republicans or Democrats they are POLITICIANS. They will do anything/everything to protect their interests. Keeping this quiet is so the Rep’s can keep control. The Rep’s are not worried about the Pages, they are concerned about maintaining control. Some mentioned Billy’s BJ. Yep he lied. Georgie has admitted no WMD and no connection to Taliban. Yep he lied. These POLITICIANS do not care about us the people they represent, just the power they hold. If they are in office we ought to kick them out of office and start clean!
Comment by Uncle T — October 4, 2006 @ 3:11 pm
#410
They would find a way to get together of course. The alterative folks would have no incentive.
Comment by J_Dub — October 4, 2006 @ 3:14 pm
I’d like to remind you all kids that while y’all are flailing about and mewling with amusing justifications for his behavior, blaming the dems for his behavior and your being complicit in the cover up… we just lost our habeus corpus rights. Since some seem to be all stuck in defending a pedo and his enablers by proxy let me put it in terms appropriate to these times… government can declare you anything, shove odd things up your rectum and the violators can never be prosecuted. Just tellin’ ya… ok, now back to your, “who’s boning who is worse” game. Keep your eye on the pink jiggly thing, kids… never mind the country just changed for the worst.
Comment by rpppolyp — October 4, 2006 @ 3:14 pm
JBird,
I know brother. I was just simply fed up with the Reps on this site trying to defend Foley by bringing up old Dem stuff…….especially about Studds around every other post. He was just as guilty as a Republican in the same year. That simple. Anyway, defending current actions by pointing fingers to the past is no way to defend anything. If it is wrong, it is wrong.
Comment by JR — October 4, 2006 @ 3:16 pm
A lot of you obviously didn’t watch Fox news yesterday. Foley got hammered all day. Stick to the moveon.org sites where nobody will question your ignorance.
Comment by jpc — October 4, 2006 @ 3:17 pm
The crime here is that the republican leadership tried to shut this up….. if they had told the truth when it first came to their attention, this would be old news with no impact on the coming election. You Republicans were betrayed by the overwhelming greed of your leaders. As ye sow, so shall ye reap.
Comment by TB — October 4, 2006 @ 3:18 pm
If this had happened once, fine, but it happened multiple times in a row. No one in the fox studio noticed the “error”? Who would watch a network with such shoddy producton values? Yet another Fox “News” ’shout the error - ‘whisper the correction’.
Comment by Robert — October 4, 2006 @ 3:18 pm
I didnt hear any of the moral outrage from the loony left when Gary Condit was caught getting rid of his dead girlfriends things in a dumpster in an open murder case,or Barney Frank running a teen gay whorehouse. Bill Clinton not only debased the White House office with his escapades, but was an accused rapist! Isnt the Democrat party the party of degenerates,idiots,and socialists? Thank GOD you hypocritical morons are out of power!
Comment by NonSocialist — October 4, 2006 @ 3:21 pm
#419
More creative manipulation of the facts. “we just lost our habeus corpus rights”???
NO….However, you are not intitled to the rights of a citizen of the United States if you join enemy forces against the US military in a forien land. Cut the spin dude.
Comment by J_Dub — October 4, 2006 @ 3:23 pm
It amazes me some of you idiots can even turn on your computers. Easy points can be made here.
(1) Who knows if it was a mistake or someone trying to taint uneducated viewers with the thoghts he might be a democrat. Why don’t you listen to the audio. My guess is if was being talked about as a republican and listed as a dem it was a mistake at least it was fixed. What about when CNN has a subliminal wording over GWB’s face during a report. That had to be sabotage being there is no instance in which that could be a mistake.
(2) Fox is about as fair and balanced as it gets they hire former CNN anchors/reporters on a regular basis, they ALWAYS have a both parties represented on EVERY show or debate ALWAYS. CNN only claim to that is Bob Novak and he is on 1 show.
(3) The former president Clinton may have received a consentual bj, but he still preyed on a star struck intern, commited adultery, lied about it, spent millions of dollars defending it, which makes him just as sleazy as Foley. They both show a deep history or sexual harassment and predatory instincts. Neither is right. Only despicable people debate degrees of wrong. It’s black and white(Sorry Jackson and Sharpton thats not a racist remark)
(4)All the details of the case should be thoroughly investigated. Once that is complete people found to be a part of it, not following through on their civic duties to report it or deliver appropriate punishment for it should themselves be punished. No matter what party, news station, sexual orientation, religion, race, creed, or color. It’s called justice and true justice should be blind. Let’s not forget the parents are at fault too for asking nothing to happen……
(5) Read a paper get educated get off your ass get a job grow some balls and stop sticking up for this party that station. What’s right is right and whats wrong is wrong. We need to get back to being a country of responsibility and accountability quit blaming our ills on anything other than our own personas and live up to our duties. It needs to not be a country of my rights over your rights and yada yada, and gte back to being my rights with respect to the others around me and their rights. RESPECT for self, country, others.
Comment by Scott P — October 4, 2006 @ 3:23 pm
Being from a blue state, i think it’s time for us (California, New York, etc) to finally leave the united states.. seriously.. Let’s leave all the poor, insest-infected, religious zealots of the hick states to fend for themselves.. And to you hicks, good luck, you will no longer get our tax money (which pays for everything in your awful states), nor will you get our technology, nor our charity (you low-life welfare pieces of trash). Good luck Wilbur—- You see, that how WE would react, if we had the same ideals and fake morals that you have.. but we don’t… we actually feel sorry for you all, our little retarded cousins of the south…. Go ahead, take our tax money, repave those roads, build those college football stadiums and enjoy the sale at Super WallMart…. We’ll keep sending the checks…
Comment by Scott — October 4, 2006 @ 3:24 pm
Scott,
Id LOVE for all you blue state liberals to get out! You dont support this country,so why DONT you leave it? You sure dont love it! And when you do,take Alex Baldwin with you! Hes promised to leave years ago and still hasnt!
Comment by NonSocialist — October 4, 2006 @ 3:28 pm
To all of the idiot dem’s , bill clinton was not impeached for getting a bj, he was impeached for lying to a federal grand jury.A grand jury that was convened because of numerous women coming forward to say clinton had sexually harrased and in one case raped them. I have noticed that dems assume there was sexual contact although there has yet to be any evidence to support thier claims. Another thing it took about 5 minutes after this story broke for dem’s to say they knew that rep’s knew , so, common sense tells me that if the dem’s knew that rep’s knew then the dem’s also knew and are equally guilty of obstuction of justice, which is what clinton was convicted of and lost his law liscense for.
Comment by plc4ever — October 4, 2006 @ 3:30 pm
Monica was not quite 3 years older than the boy in question. Of course, that was about someone’s “personal life.” And 16, by the way, is the age of consent in many states. If this had been a female page - there would be snipping for sure, but mostly there would just be a bunch of snickering under the table. As it is, the loving and kind-hearted liberals are again showing their homophobia.
Here’s what I would like to see: everyone in the two houses should make all of their personal emails available. How many do you think are closet gays, having affairs, masturbating online, talking to kids, etc etc. My guess - at least 25%, including 25% of the pompous finger-pointers. Im just waiting for Ted Kennedy to speak on this, or Bill Clinton.
GTG
Comment by G Thomas Grantham — October 4, 2006 @ 3:31 pm
Looks to me like the Dems are Gay bashing. Shame on them. True, Foley is a creep and must be punished to the fullest extent of the law. But, if he were a Democrat the Socialist Liberals in America would be defending him, just like they did Barney Frank for hosting a male prostitution ring in his own home. And like they did Mel Reynolds who said he “hit the Lotto” when he thought he had hooked up with a 15 yr old Catholic girl for sex,and Gerry Stubbs when “he” actually did have sex with a female minor who was working for him. Clinton even pardoned Reynolds!
Was Clinton engaged in a BJ in the Oval office whith Monica while the CIA was trying to reach him for permission to “take out” bin Laden??? We’ll never know for sure, but that’s possibly why Clinton didn’t wish to be disturbed.
Comment by Mudflap — October 4, 2006 @ 3:33 pm
Ok. Get over it, it was a little 1 character mistake. Big deal. I don’t suppose you flamers were bitching about the big X on Bush’s speect on CNN. That, you all want to pass off as an accident… but you all blow up a little stupid label at the bottom of the screen that no one woulda freakin noticed anyway. We all know he’s a Republican. Big deal. Typos happen.
Comment by Chris — October 4, 2006 @ 3:35 pm
people, lets be real here.. Foley may be a “sick man” but HE WAS NOT SOLICITING CHILDREN. He was soliciting 16 year olds, which are by definition teenagers, not children. Learn the difference.
Comment by Letsbe Real — October 4, 2006 @ 3:35 pm
#426,
Very inspiring. California has already left the union. It’s now apart of aztlan(Mexico). I am suprised with your superior intellilect you did not know this.
Comment by Red Neck — October 4, 2006 @ 3:35 pm
#426
Go ahead and leave. We will keep all our farm ground and feed lots. When your grocery store is empty and you McDonalds is closed, you can move to Canada and go on welfare.
Comment by Randall — October 4, 2006 @ 3:36 pm
#426
Go ahead and leave. We will keep all our farm ground and feed lots. When your grocery store is empty and you McDonalds is closed, you can move to Canada and go on welfare.
Comment by Randall — October 4, 2006 @ 3:37 pm
Oh and the “IM thing vs. email” excuse… wow, that sounds like “what’s the definition of ‘is’ is.” I guess pedophilia on email is more acceptable then?
Oh and for those coming here from Drudge… how do you feel about him on his Sunday radio show saying it’s the Pages’ fault because they were “egging him on.” Amusing that coming from the Eggman himself.
Comment by rpppolyp — October 4, 2006 @ 3:37 pm
What the hell is the South growing anyway? Tobacco and cotton?????…..oh and some oranges in Florida…..sorry.
Comment by JR — October 4, 2006 @ 3:38 pm
Scott, Do us all a favor and kill yourself cause you are a waste of intelligentpeoples oxygen. Take your disease infested, crime ridden, Polluted states and go we do not need or want you. You are the exact reason for the decline in our society. Remind us of the last time california had a budget surplus? Iowa on the other hand had 30 straight years of excess creating a rainy day fund. HOw do you plan to grow enough food to support your vast population on your cement streets? Where do you think the gasoline you drive your car on is produced? How about the cotton used to make your clothes? Think George Steinbrenner grows & picks that? What essential item does new york produce? Garbage? You are the case in point of that.
Comment by Scott P — October 4, 2006 @ 3:40 pm
#426
Check your states budget before you start talking about your tax money. It doesn’t exist, you are the drain on us hicks. You purchased energy from ENRON, you are still paying for electricity from AZ. You are still found in camps in Afghanistan (Jihad Johnnie). And if CA falls into the ocean tomorrow, we’ll have one less gang infested, flag burning gay pride parade to watch on TV. Are you the same Scott from CA that cut the child out of his wife’s womb?
Comment by colin — October 4, 2006 @ 3:40 pm
hey scott from cali, according to the commerce dept cali recieves approx 3.27 billion more in federal dollars than it sends to the treasury, as far as the “low-life welfare scum” you speak of according to the u.s. census 87% of welfare reciepients are registered democrats, and 7% are illegal immigrants living in califonia. YOU PATHETIC IDIOT, no wonder your a democrat.
Comment by plc4ever — October 4, 2006 @ 3:40 pm
# 428 and others…Please consider the point that gay does not mean pedophile.
#421 jpc - I have a job and a family so I don’t watch TV, but yesteday’s Fox web site article on Foley was all about Studds in the first paragraph. That’s “Fair and Balanced”? When I was a kid, pointing out that someone else did wrong was never an excuse for my own bad behavior. When did that change?
Comment by JC — October 4, 2006 @ 3:43 pm
434
Actually the south doesn’t grow tobacco, cotton yes. The tobacco belt is VA, NC, TN and KY. NAFTA and the tobacco lawsuits have closed most farms and factories down in those areas though.
Comment by colin — October 4, 2006 @ 3:44 pm
Everyone is forgetting that when we were attempting to impeach slick willy… it was for lying under oath. However, that does not lessen the fact that he was the #1 person in the world and he goes and cheats on his wife?!?!? He insulted our country. For you dems… don’t even try to pull Bush into this one. I can already see it coming. It must be my Ditto-Sense.
Comment by Bryan — October 4, 2006 @ 3:44 pm
The truth is there is Fox whioh as any fool can see (a Lil Abner lingo there) is “Fair and Balanced” i.e., presenting both sides equally, then there is the rest of the media (except Talk Radio) which is pretty much biased to the left. Their favorite sport is beating up on occasional Republicans who are foolish enough to show up on their shows. That is why their ratings are down and Fox’s are up.
Comment by James A. Webster — October 4, 2006 @ 3:45 pm
Wait Scott I apologize that was inappropriate don’t kill yourself. Stay the same ignorant dolt you are today. Otherwise I might not have so much fun blogging. You give me the look of intellectual prowess… THANKS
Comment by Scott P — October 4, 2006 @ 3:49 pm
I’m not a D or R. I’m an independant, Foley has no bearing on who I’ll vote for (not in FL). As a federal employee, I usually vote R because that’s where the biggest raises come from. I don’t re-elect though. If they don’t give themselves term limits, I try.
Comment by colin — October 4, 2006 @ 3:50 pm
If you want a hard look at the truth, check out MY CHILD: MOTHERS OF WAR.
Comment by Young Soldier — October 4, 2006 @ 3:50 pm
Why doesnt every on this blog just shut up? No one, it appears, seems to have advanced the cause of the American people here all day. Its just a bunch a whining from the left and right, like a bunch of pathetic 1st graders.
Why dont you all get overyourselves and start trying to do something to make this system better, rather than just sit and snipe at the next person because the dont agree with you.
Well let me spring some news on you all, in this country, noone has to agree with you, ever. Thats what makes us better than everywhere else, we can agree to disagree ans still move forward. But for those of you that would rather just bitch and stand still, theres a term for you, and its called “Fossil”.
Just lay down in the clay, and let the rest of us move forward.
Comment by I'm more right than you — October 4, 2006 @ 3:51 pm
Everyone shouting “CLINTON! CLINTON! CLINTON!” is forgeting one key detail- Clinton was acquited on all charges in his trial in the Senate. With a Republican majority.
I’ll say it again: Clinton was impeached, and at his trial was found NOT GUILTY!
Comment by obsolete — October 4, 2006 @ 3:52 pm
Hey Barney-style,
Your insinuation is that people can’t be born gay because gay people can’t procreate. Mules can’t procreate either, but last I checked, mules are born mules.
You should try learning science from a scientist, rather than from pulpits or politicians.
Comment by Snowdog — October 4, 2006 @ 3:53 pm
Fox’s ‘Fair and Balanced reporting and Bill orilley’s ‘No spin zone where you do not bloviate attempt to subvert truth. How do you mislabel Mark Foley as a D-FL? Bill Orilley’s artful shennanigan is sheer abomination.
Comment by ron — October 4, 2006 @ 3:54 pm
Foley used to be a democrat and the feed was from when we was a democrat which is why it was on the feed to begin with.
Now whether it was intentional or not is up for debate.
I don’t think this problem is specific to Republicans, just ask Studd & Reynolds.
Does it matter the party? I want to know who has been sitting on this information [from both parties] because it seems like pretty convenient timing.
And there is no comparison to what Clinton did to this. Unacceptable, but no comparison.
Comment by Dan — October 4, 2006 @ 3:54 pm
hey jc, the fox article did not try to exuse foley’s behavoir by pointing to stud’s. They were simply presenting a contrast on how the democrats reacted to the 2 situations. For example dem’s want many rep heads to roll, in 1983 studds went to the house floor and said he would not resign and the dem’s gave him not one, not two but yes that’s right three standing ovations, and studds was actually caught in the act with a 17 yr old boy. And if that is not bad enough when the pages came forward the dem’s on the house ethics committee dismissed them as unreliable witnesses, i doubt they will make the same claims about the pages involved in this matter.
Comment by plc4ever — October 4, 2006 @ 3:54 pm
If I were a Republican I’d try to disavow any connection with Foley too.
Comment by Aredee — October 4, 2006 @ 3:56 pm
Thanks to all the little ‘tards from the south for your endearing arguments. I’d go on and on about how wrong you are on so many accounts, but in reality there is not enough time to teach kids about quantum physics. California has oil (not enough for all of us) and the extra we’d need can easily be purchased from mexico, south america and other markets (you sip it too, so careful before you bad mouth that).. As far as land, we do actually have a lot of land for cows and crops and whatever we don’t produce, can easily be bought on the open market (ever wonder how Japan makes it Jeb?)- Our economy is indeed horrible lately.. Remember, we are indeed like the Yankees, we give money to the league (the Federal government) to share with the smaller-market teams, who, without this money, would disappear)…. by that, i’d call your STATES welfare states, seeing how you’re spending California tax dollars…
Comment by Scott — October 4, 2006 @ 3:56 pm
Fox News is biased much more than what we could know. Generally, the stuff we DON’T see on FNC is the proof. If this media outlet would just openly declare their political agenda openly - they would be a wonderful addition to 100’s of channels we have on TV. They would probably still have the same amount of viewers! This would free-up John Stewart to stop policing FNC and start policing CNN, BBC and other more respectable news sources.
Comment by rfa — October 4, 2006 @ 3:56 pm
To the idiot who posted at #415, I don’t even want to know what kind of pathetic creatures would copulate with you. If the best you can come up with is a sexual insult, then that just goes to prove the point - the GOP is without any kind of morally redeeming quality whatsoever. Go f*$k yourself. I doubt anyone else would want to.
Comment by LS — October 4, 2006 @ 3:56 pm
Democrats suck big balls and Ohio State Football Rules!
OH–IO!!!
Comment by Brutus the Buckeye — October 4, 2006 @ 3:58 pm
Obsolete your name is perfect. Do you really expect us to believe you think Clinton was INNOCENT? NOT GUILTY? He himself admitted guilt and apologized. Hey stupid…. knock knock knock( knocking on your skull to see if i can jar you into using your marbles) The Senate vote was to impeach or not impeach not a question of guilty or not guilty.
Comment by Scott P — October 4, 2006 @ 4:00 pm
Hey obsolete the senate chose not to remove clinton from office, he was not found not guilty you idiot. The senate is a legislative body they don’t coduct criminal trials that is done in the justice system. The house votes to impeach or not and the senate votes to remove from office they have no authority to find anyone guilty of a crime. Once again no wonder you people are dem’s you are soo pathetically ignorant of the facts
Comment by plc4ever — October 4, 2006 @ 4:02 pm
Why is it ok for someone to have sex at the age of 16, but should the 16 year old get pregnant, she is not old enough to choose what to do with that pregnancy?
Comment by hillbetty — October 4, 2006 @ 4:03 pm
I just wanted to say that if Mark Foley ever decides to take an interest in girls instead of boys.. I’d be willing to do a three way.
Nothing wrong with some oral treats while on the job. Been there done that. ;) Go get em’ Mark.
Comment by Slick Willy — October 4, 2006 @ 4:04 pm
Foley is a distraction. Investigate this sicko and take down everyone with him but let’s keep focused. As the Foley event unraveled, everyone forgets that we just lost Habeas Corpus a mere 3 days ago. Anyone, I repeat ANYONE can be an ‘unlawful enemy combatant’, no right to attorney, judges or even a hearing. Add it to the list of curbed rights like caging protestors, conducting warrantless wire-taps, banning books like “America Deceived” from Amazon, stealing private lands and starting 2 illegal wars based on lies. Get the scumbags involved in this Foley mess (bet they ALL voted for Iraq war and Patriot Act), and let’s get back to focusing on losing our Constitution.
Final link (before Google Books caves and drops the title):
http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?&isbn=0-595-38523-0
Comment by John L — October 4, 2006 @ 4:04 pm
Typical of Fox. They never are factual on most issues!!
Comment by Crystal Calvert — October 4, 2006 @ 4:05 pm
OK, JR, I will try to clear up the little misunderstanding here:
No one is saying that Crane wasn’t just as guilty as Stubbs. The point they are making is the difference in reaction to the two equally discusting things.
The repub, Crane, tearfully appologised on the house floor and accepted his censure. He was then further punished by conservative voters who did not forgive his transgressions and threw him out of office.
The Democrat, Stubbs, in contrast was unrepentant and did not accept his censure. In fact, he turned his back to the house during the censure. He believed he had done nothing wrong. Apparently, neither did the liberal voters since they voted him back in office several times until he retired.
The glaring difference here is not what the two did as they were equivalent. The difference was how each party and the voters of each party reacted to the transgressions. The “party of family values” guy knew what he did was wrong and so did his voting base. The “party of liberal values” guy didn’t believe he had done anything wrong and was excused and accepted by his voting base. That is why the dems’ indignant shrieks on the Foley matter seem somewhat hypocritical. They apparently condoned exactly this type of behavior when it was a Dem who transgressed but suddenly discover a concern for the children when it is a Repub that does it.
Clear now?
Comment by James — October 4, 2006 @ 4:05 pm
I like Fox, but geeze that’s taken a chapter from the CNN book on how to make X’s through Cheney or give live audio trashing the President from their ‘unbiased’ news hosts. Too bad.
Comment by Bryan — October 4, 2006 @ 4:06 pm
It’s very amusing that Brian Stelter of TVNewser highlighted this after ignoring Countdown with Keith Olbermann editing a HardBall package to remove the interview subject admitting on camera that he is a democratic operative.
Comment by Frank — October 4, 2006 @ 4:06 pm
I’m bored, this is way too easy, this is like arguing with a blind man about what he did or did not see. Have a good day!!!
Comment by plc4ever — October 4, 2006 @ 4:07 pm
Wrong. The House voted to impeach and it passed. Clinton was impeached. The Senate voted to remove Clinton from office and it required a super majority. 2 counts and the vote went 50-50 on the first and 55-45 on the second.
Comment by Bruce P — October 4, 2006 @ 4:07 pm
I see Ted Kennedy’s fatal car accident all those years ago really irks the Repubs, doesn’t it? Makes you want to burst, huh? You want to know why he was able to get away with it, and why he will keep being re-elected 100 years from now (when his brain is kept alive in a jar)? I’ll tell ya-
It was well know at the time that his female passenger was an elite republican operative, sent on a suicide mission to entrap Kennedy. She grabbed the wheel and drove the car off the bridge.
No one had any sympathy for her so TK was not charged. It is little talked about now, but back then it was a well-established fact. At least as well-established as the Clinton conspiracies and other drivel the soft-skulled repubs are pushing here.
Of course, I can blame TK for the fact that he was an imitator, not an innovator. He was trying to emulate Laura Bush, who ran a stop sign and conveniently killed her ex-boyfriend in the car she rammed. In all fairness to her, the car was probably the same color as the valium clouds she was floating through at the time.
Comment by obsolete — October 4, 2006 @ 4:07 pm
Good post IMRTY. Finally somebody willing to see this in something other than political black and white. This Foley guy is sick. The Republicans have thrown him under the bus-as they should. Great. He’s gone. NEXT! What else does the politics of personal destruction machine have for us now? NEWS FLASH to all of you brian surgeons-most of these people in Wash., to whom you have entrusted your sacred vote, that binding social contract of governance that makes us the greatest nation on earth, are crooks, criminals and/or sociopaths of one kind or another. That’s what comes from allowing them to legislate themselves into a status of celebrity and entitlement. And oh how we love our celebrities in the jolly old land of narcicism.
NEWS FLASH number 2: none of this mental masturbation we call “news” will mean a damn thing if Iran gets the bomb. If that happens they’ll use it, or give it to somebody who will (i.e. use terrorists to do their dirty work for them-since they don’t have the brains or guts to do it themselves). On that day hell will come to breakfast, my friends, and perverted congressmen soliciting teenagers and lying dirt bag presidents boinking interns will be the least of our worries. I wonder if we could still come together and fight a common enemy if that happens. I hope I never find out.
Comment by Brad — October 4, 2006 @ 4:09 pm
I think FOX finally got it right… Foley, as it turns out, was clearly a RINO (Republican In Name Only) so FOX was simply giving Foley the appropriate party affiliation he deserved. You know… the party of moral relativism & trial lawyers who would happily defend Foley’s behavior… Democrat of course!
Comment by J — October 4, 2006 @ 4:10 pm
To Scott in #427:
If Republicans stand for big money and big business and most of the richest people in the world and America reside in California and New York then what does that say about most of the people who are paying the taxes to the less fortunate states since the richest 5% pay about 95% of the taxes [not exact %’s but close]? They are Republican if your slow mind can’t comprehend.
The real question is would you take all of the illegal immigrants with you when you leave?
Comment by Dan — October 4, 2006 @ 4:10 pm
FNC Fair and Balenced. FNC Fair and Balenced. FNC Fair and Balenced.
I don’t care how many times they say, that does not make it true!
Comment by Uncle T — October 4, 2006 @ 4:12 pm
Nope, you repubs are wrong again- from the first paragraph in the wikipedia article on Clinton’s impeachment:
“In all, 55 senators voted “not guilty” and 45 voted “guilty” on the charge of perjury. The Senate also acquitted on the obstruction charge with 50 votes cast each way.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_impeachment
It’s not surprising that repubs don’t understand what our constitution spells out. They are too busy shredding it to read it.
Comment by obsolete — October 4, 2006 @ 4:12 pm
Wow, i hate to see all the fighting, amongst people that probably have more in common with each other than the one’s they’re standing up for..
I really think that these parties are trying to divide us, make us worry about things such as the infamous BJ, the “anti-terrorism” war in Iraq, the rights for gays to marry, etc.. They chose these topics because they know that so many people feel so strongly one way or another and wow, it’s pretty close in terms of numbers for each side (50/50 or close to it)..
What we are not thinking about it our economy, how corporate america is stealing from our pensions, our savings and our livlihoods.. We are getting raped in every sense of the word by these rich asses, and yet, we’re here fighting about how Fox News may have planned a “mistake” to help cloud an issue that really has no bearing on us..
When are we going to say, “you know what, enough with all the talk about Iraq, Osama, Gays in the military/getting married/adopting kids…” We should be fighting to hear answers on why our roads never looked worse, why our healthcare is a shame compared to other nations, why the ultra-rich keep getting richer off the backs of our hard work (and cancelled or bankrupt pensions)…
As we all fight it out for these trivial things, we’re being robbed of all that we have (by both dems and reps)-
ok, let the flames begin–
Comment by John — October 4, 2006 @ 4:12 pm
Pic4ever,
Yes the dems are soooooooooooooooooo stupid. When you get a chance, take a look at education levels for republican voters compared to democratic voters. I think 7 of the 10 states with the lowest education level are red states.
Hillbillies and The Religious Right are taking this country over!!!!! Please accept the fact that the Republican party has changed drastically in the last 25 years. They don’t represent anything on which the party was founded anymore……..and I’m not bleading heart….I’ve voted for plenty of Republicans years ago.
Comment by JR — October 4, 2006 @ 4:13 pm
Thanks for calling me names, though. Next time try rebutting me with facts.
Comment by obsolete — October 4, 2006 @ 4:14 pm
Hmmm, I recall CNN did the exact same thing when traitorous Democrat Jim McDermott (D-WA) was giving his anti-American speech from Baghdad prior to the war. They put an R in his one screeen graphic. Payback is a btich ain’t it?
Comment by GG — October 4, 2006 @ 4:14 pm
All Democrats and Republicans are self-interested scumbags.
If you want to get rid of dirty politicians, don’t vote for Democrats or Republicans.
The Democrats and Repulicans work together to exclude other candidates (look up who controls the Debate Commission - it’s a corporation jointly-owned by the RNC and DNC).
Vote for anybody who’s not a Democrat or a Republican! I recommend Libertarian. Take back our country from the greedy politicians!
Comment by smarterthanyou — October 4, 2006 @ 4:15 pm
Scott you really are the most unintelligent person i have ever seen. However I admire your passion.
(1)You do not have oil in Cali it is in the ocean off your shores. Where do you think they refine it into gasoline?
(2) Nuts and fruits are what you grow have fun living off that. A lot of nuts and alot of fruits can definitely be found in Cali. Yes you can import other foods necessary point taken but can a state with a huge deficit really provide for a large population buying all their food overseas? Its not going to be cheap like what your buying from us now.
Here in Iowa we can live without strawberries and almonds We produce everything to be self sustaining
(3) Your state wants the federal government to force other states to sell you power. you think the snotty environmentalist populus is going to let you actually build a power plant? Fat chance! Your going to have trouble surviving in the dark.
(4) Iowa is not in the south. I wouldn’t expect a self centered Californian elitist to know any other geography than his own state.
(4) Didn’t our states purchase yours in the beginning? I say we ask for a refund
Comment by Scott P — October 4, 2006 @ 4:15 pm
Facts such as this: Clinton was found NOT GUILTY in his trial in the Senate.
Comment by obsolete — October 4, 2006 @ 4:15 pm
I knew as soon as he resigned Foley wasn’t a Dem…. Dems hang around and blame everyone else for their crimes.
Comment by Bruce P — October 4, 2006 @ 4:16 pm
Frank, I agree about Brian Stelter of TVNewser. Olbermann Watch recently posted his Facebook profile, which showed he belongs to several liberal message board groups. Remember, he’s claimed many, many times that he does not have a partisan agenda and is not allied with Keith Olbermann in any way.
Comment by Kiko — October 4, 2006 @ 4:17 pm
#358. Kiki — so are you saying everyone knew that he was a child predator and still put him on the committee? You’re ridiculous. And that’s not a double-standard anyway. Go buy a clue.
Comment by David — October 4, 2006 @ 4:18 pm
Haha you Pub bastards
12 years of House control, 5 years of total control, and you’re already more rotton than a fall pumpkin in March. So long, suckers - and keep your hands off the young boys.
Comment by XYCHRO — October 4, 2006 @ 4:20 pm
How soon (or conveniently) you forget the details of Clinton’s impeachment. It wasn’t about the BJ. It was lying under oath: perjury and obstruction of justice — no minor things. And he was impeached for those acts.
Comment by Sheena — October 4, 2006 @ 4:21 pm
To LS
While you obviously don’t like the way I made my point, you didn’t disagree with my comment regarding your total lack of substance. I’m glad we agree.
And….aren’t you the articulate one……
Comment by J_Dub — October 4, 2006 @ 4:22 pm
OCTOBER 5 - DAY OF MASS RESISTANCE (ACROSS US AND CANADA)
On October 5, people everywhere will walk out of school, take off work, and come to the downtowns & townsquares and set out from there, going through the streets and calling on many more to join us - making a powerful statement: “NO! THIS REGIME DOES NOT REPRESENT US! AND WE WILL DRIVE IT OUT!”
World Can’t Wait is organizing people living in the United States to take responsibility to stop the whole disastrous course led by the Bush administration. We seek to create a political situation where the Bush administration’s program is repudiated, where Bush himself is driven from office, and where the whole direction he has been taking U.S. society is reversed.
We seek to mobilize millions to express their outrage, to speak the truth, to act with urgency and form an organized political resistance. We welcome any individuals and groups who agree that the Bush Regime should be driven out, whatever their political party affiliation or lack thereof. We reach out to people who have been fooled by Bush, and to those who have been most seriously affected by the outrages inflicted by the Bush Regime.
Locate the protest nearest you, at –
http://worldcantwait.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2418&Itemid=232&_event=14
Comment by Bman — October 4, 2006 @ 4:23 pm
Well, another nail in the Repub’s coffin just broke:
Report: Hastert’s office warned about Foley two years ago
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/04/foley.ap/index.html
And the stories keep changing…
Comment by obsolete — October 4, 2006 @ 4:23 pm
Actually I stand corrected. California does refine about 90% of its own gasoline. Amazingly enough they still charge their citizens more than the rest of the country that has it shipped in. Good policy
Comment by Scott P — October 4, 2006 @ 4:25 pm
Yeah definitely I agree that TVNewser is very liberal, there’s not even a question. He’s a huge Keith Olbermann fan too.
Comment by Carol — October 4, 2006 @ 4:26 pm
Mislabeling Foley as a Democrat, that’s great! Loved it, nice fit.
Comment by V.R.W.C. — October 4, 2006 @ 4:28 pm
This is all such crap! None of it will mean a damn thing to anybody if the Iranians get the bomb. If they get it, they’ll use it-or give it to somebody who will. On that day, my friends, hell will come to breakfast. Perverted congressmen soliciting teenagers and scum bag presidents boinking the interns will be the least of our problams. I wonder if we could still come together and fight a common enemy like that? Or would we be too concerned about hurting their feelings? I hope, for my kids sake, I never have to find out. You people better snap out of it and understand this enemy, because right now the fact that you’re all so worked up about this garbage tells me that you don’t get it.
Comment by Brad — October 4, 2006 @ 4:29 pm
#487
“How soon (or conveniently) you forget the details of Clinton’s impeachment. It wasn’t about the BJ. It was lying under oath: perjury and obstruction of justice — no minor things. And he was impeached for those acts.”
Yes, and he was Acquited, as in found NOT GUILTY!
See my other posts above.
I notice no more Repubs have challenged my assertion….
Comment by obsolete — October 4, 2006 @ 4:29 pm
#489 - You are a moron.
Comment by J — October 4, 2006 @ 4:29 pm
Just loved the faux pas, its a better fit.
Comment by V.R.W.C. — October 4, 2006 @ 4:30 pm
I’ll second that. (#495)
Comment by heythat'snotfunny — October 4, 2006 @ 4:31 pm
What Foley did was sick but what also is sick is how the Dems spread the blame on others… Do you think the speaker of the house even know what IMing is… he is dirt old.
The Dems want power so bad… it is sick.
P.S. Clinton may have been found not guilty, but that does not take away that fact he did indeed lie… a lie is a lie, even if you buck the system, as Clinton did.
Comment by Andy — October 4, 2006 @ 4:33 pm
455,
” If I were a Republican I’d try to disavow any connection with Foley too”
Does this mean you disavow any connection to Clinton, Studds, Frank, Kennedy. If so than we have an accord. As for bringing up the past to point out character, does Bush’s DUI, Rather gate or the Swift Vets all of sudden not count?
Comment by Mr. Wilson — October 4, 2006 @ 4:34 pm
#498
Your saying that you know more then the Republican Senate, which acquited him? Why didn’t they call you to testify and set them straight?
:P
Comment by obsolete — October 4, 2006 @ 4:36 pm
while i think foxnews is the best network for the news, they constantly have poor spelling and grammer in their ticker. it’s not limited to them, tho. most of the cable news networks and webpage headline writers miss the mark a good percentage of the time. perhaps someone should proof these items as they reflect on the ‘owners’.
Comment by david — October 4, 2006 @ 4:36 pm
Does a walkout of these people mean they won’tbe picking up their unemployment or welfare checks or standing on a street corner begging for money tomorrow? Yeah let’s celebrate
Comment by Scott P — October 4, 2006 @ 4:37 pm
#500 Well, Clinton said he did not have sexual relations, but then he later said that he did have realtions but they were not sexual… he is the one that tried to say oral is not sexual.
Clinton lied, that is not even debated able… what 1998 taught us is that even if you lie or steal, cheat, etc. if you have enough friends on the Hill (elected officals, and media) you have nothing to worry about.
Comment by Andy — October 4, 2006 @ 4:39 pm
Oh good, a flame war with J-Dub (#488). Oh wait, no, I can’t be bothered. I actually have a life to live. So long, loser, this was my first and last visit to the Drudge Report. Just confirming my suspcions that the neocons are as morally and intellectually corrupt as I suspected.
And by the way, jerk, no, you’re not correct in anything you said. Fox News deliberately misidentified Foley in a pathetic attempt to somehow blame the Democrats for his moral corruption. Such petty games are no less than I expect from a mouthpiece for the intellectually bankrupt GOP. Have fun flaming me from now until eternity. I’ll be out working for a living, enjoying the company of friends and family, volunteering to make my community a better place to live, and otherwise contributing to society. Hope you enjoy yourself in the emptiness of cyber space.
Comment by LS — October 4, 2006 @ 4:39 pm
# 500 P.S. They should have called me to testify, but then Clinton would have killed me with one of his men, so I thought I would stay home and watch on tv instead.
Comment by Andy — October 4, 2006 @ 4:41 pm
Looks like Foley has a knack for swapping sides ;)
Lemme break this one down for the Dems….
You see - he WAS straight and then he became gay (I am pretty sure he wasn’t born that way)
And then - he WAS a Democrat and then he became a Republican.
Too bad he still isn’t a Dem - he would still have a job, a few underaged boyfirends, we wouldn’t have this BLOG and you all would be talking about what a great person he is and how he has the right to be the way he is.
Comment by Realistic — October 4, 2006 @ 4:42 pm
Obsolete aren’t you late for a rally somewhere? Maybe a book burning? A Hollywood premiere of how great Bill Clinton was?
Clinton admitted himself GUILTY do you not remember his prime time apology?
Regardless of what the vote is written as ” GUILTY OR NOT GUILTY” It represents a group of people who did not feel a consentual bj was reason to remove an elected president from office. Not that they felt he was innocent. Your arguing a point you obviously feel strongly in but have a complete lack of understanding in. The facts remain Clinton did it, lied, distracted, obstructed, then finally admitted.
Everything else is trivial details
Comment by Scott P — October 4, 2006 @ 4:43 pm
All Republicans enjoy anal sex with yound boys and goats.
It is a known fact.
George Bush likes to masturbate horses.
Laura Bush said so.
Comment by ootpoot — October 4, 2006 @ 4:45 pm
its funny to see libs flip over a typo…..CNN and MSNBC do this all the time, last year they labeled Ray Nagin(when he was making a fool of himself after Katrina) a Republican and even announced he was on tv, it wasn’t just a screen caption.
of course less than a year ago CNN put a big black X subliminally over Dick Cheney’s face during a live speech broadcast.
Comment by jp — October 4, 2006 @ 4:46 pm
Wow. The views expressed here are so polar and unforgiving. i would recommend you all find a more useful outlet for your anger. Physical activity would be a good start. Might help release all that inner frustration.
Oh wait, that would require leaving the computer, physical activity and interacting with real people. Skills i fell you all lack.
Comment by bc — October 4, 2006 @ 4:46 pm
Why are all these GOP-loving folk bringing in Clinton? What does Clinton have to do with the Pedophile Republican? They’re all just so damned depressed that the jig is up for the GOP. The Republicans are merely rich people trying to stay rich and nothing more. Scumbag swine.
Comment by Fippypopulosa — October 4, 2006 @ 4:46 pm
Hmmm, looks like the sky is falling GOP. This isn’t an isolated Foley-only event. What is your defense now? This was a massive massive coverup by some very powerful Republicans.
Scumbags.
Comment by JR — October 4, 2006 @ 4:47 pm
I noticed that the FNC 8PM feed read Foley as a Democrat but the 11PM feed did not show Foley as a Republican - FNC just removed the party affiliation completely.
Fox News Channel - Fair and Balanced - yeah right!
Comment by Brent — October 4, 2006 @ 4:48 pm
If the Republicans such as Hastert had turned in Foley the moment they heard about this, we wouldn’t be having this scandal. Instead, they covered it up–merely to keep one seat in the House. You can bet, though, if Hastert and Co. heard about a Democrat Pedophile, they’d be trumpeting it from the highest mountaintop. Bush and the other rich, privaledged Republicans don’t give a damn about their Christian supporters. They think the Christians are rubes who are good for knocking on doors and voting–nothing else. It amazes me how easily the Christians have been duped.
Comment by Sal-Mari — October 4, 2006 @ 4:51 pm
Kennedy DUI killed a girl in MA- Clinton had sex with an intern and lied under oath- the Pres. of the US is held to a bit higher standard than a gay congressman- as a Dr. is to a plumber- Ted K was married and a senator and also held to a bit of a higher standard - neither of these guys even dreamt of resigning- why? So why now are we so outraged at some gay guy making advances- the children? Is that it? then maybe the parents of the page who asked for it not to be known should be arrested- I think Condor or whatever his name was also had a dead girl in his picture and he did resign but my goodness -death is a bit startling- the truth is CNN constantly makes mistakes like big red exes over Cheney and noone yells-the bias is so apparent yet the democrats are still so hatefilled from the Clinton impeachment and then losing two elections that blood from hate is filling their eyes and they truly cannot see- not straight - no not see, at all- hate does that to you - it did it to Hitler- it’s doing it everyday in the middle east -and it’s working it’s way into America’s politics - it will destroy us unless it stops.
Comment by Pat kennedy — October 4, 2006 @ 4:51 pm
No one is claiming this to be a Vast Left-Wing Conspirasy. Oh wait. That would be silly.
Comment by Bruce P — October 4, 2006 @ 4:51 pm
Repubs vs. Dems, Dems vs. Repubs. Its all hooey. Cannot you see that they are all working for the same greedy elitists, who don’t care a fig about us? Quit wasting time on the staged conflict between these two parties which is really one party, Republicrats. Start paying attention to the puppetmaster pulling the strings of these parties. Grow up and pay attention!!!
Comment by Eyeballs — October 4, 2006 @ 4:52 pm
#500
So I guess OJ didn’t do it either, since he was found “NOT GUILTY”. This MUST be why he keeps looking for the REAL killers on all those golf courses.
So again, let’s recap; Dem does something wrong, media says it’s all about sex, he stays and everything is hunky dory. Repub does something wrong, media plays it to high heaven, Repub resigns in disgrace from being forced out by his party. Sounds like to me the Repubs still have some inkling of morality…at least as far as it goes for ANY politician.
If you can’t see the difference of how the media covers a scandal from Dem/Repub, you are completely blind. Yeah, they constantly mentioned the Clinton thing, but it was almost exclusively as a “personal matter” or “all about sex” and why are we wasting time. No matter he lied under oath or had allegations of sexual harrasement against him…which if I remember correctly, NBC held a story with Juanita Broderick until AFTER his impeachment trial in the Senate. Didn’t see you complaining then, ob.
Comment by chris — October 4, 2006 @ 4:53 pm
Fox News is nothing but a front for the republican propaganda machine, imo.
And to all of the folks trying to change the subject rather than address the issue at hand… That sort of behavior didn’t fly when we broke the rules as children, so why should it work now with the law when we’re adults?
PS: Why do so many who insist on legislating morality end up appearing the most morally bankrupt in the end?
Comment by scott — October 4, 2006 @ 4:56 pm
What was worse?
Lying to the country that he didn’t have “relations” with Ms Lewinsky? It was awful to do it, it was atrocious for him to lie about doing it. I was ticked, but at least it didn’t affect american policy or put lives at stake.
or
Lying to the country about the pretenses for going to war by fabricating intelligence reports about weapons of mass destruction and starting a pre-emptive war that has already cost us 3000 american lives, tens of thousands of Iraqi lives? With no end in sight….
and why did the first one receive more coverage???? Is that an example of the “liberal” biased media?????
Comment by JR — October 4, 2006 @ 4:57 pm
I still haven’t heard a satisfactory explanation as to why this behavior was OK when it was a Dem (Stubbs, Frank) but not when it is a Repub (Crane or Foley). Can one of you Dems enlighten me?
Also, yes there is a difference between Clinton’s behavior and Foley’s. The difference is Clinton had a consensual and grossly innapropriate sexual relationship with a 19 yr old intern. Foley exchanged consensual and grossly inappropriate IM’s with a 16 yr old page. Did Foley have any physical contact with the page? No. Did Clinton have physical contact with the intern? Yes, multiple times.
For all you people out there saying Clinton had a consensula relationship with an adult, remember that the “adult” was only 3 yrs older then the page in the news now. Also, the page is over the age of consent and THERE WAS NO PHYSICAL CONTACT. Ergo, no law was broken. By definition, this is not child molestation. This was a consensual ELECTRONIC relationship. Yes, it was grossly inappropriate and unethical given the difference in power and Foley has aknowledged that and resigned before he could be thrown out by his conservative base. I maintain, however, that it was not any worse than Clinton’s behavior since
1. Clinton actually had sex with the intern
2. the difference of power was at least as great if not greater between President/Intern as it is between senator/page.
3. Foley did not actually have sex with the page and the page was above the age of consent and so by legal definition was not a “child”.
4. Clinton (and others in the past) was continually excused for his behavior by his party while Foley (and others in the past)was excoriated and forced to resign in discrace by his party.
Comment by James — October 4, 2006 @ 5:00 pm
If Foley did commit a crime, prosecute him! If the Republican leadership knew that a crime was committed and did nothing about then in my opinion the are accessories and should also be cherged. The same applies to the Democrats or anyone else that knew about it.
Comment by pantzdown — October 4, 2006 @ 5:02 pm
#503, it was a Republican controlled acquittal. So blame the Republicans for letting him off the hook. The media had no vote, and the Dems were outnumbered.
Conservative used to mean taking reponsibility for your own life and actions. (Hence anti welfare, anti abortion, tough on crime, anti drugs,etc. as they are a take no prisioners or excuses group).
It sickens me to see the rank and file of what are supposed to be “conservatives” sounding worse then any whiney finger pointing liberal that made me lose my lunch in the 80s and 90s. How far the republican party has come from the proud heritage of independent men and powerful thinkers that used to occupy the party. Instead of actually considering the issue and what the republicans and thier pet pedophile are going to do to make it right, all they can do is try to compare wrongs from thier side to wrongs from the Dems. The current Republicans are weak, soulless and lacking in anything called conservative values. At this point they should just rename themselves “Liberals for Corporations and War” and finish it.
Yes, the Democrats are wishy washy, and slimy, but at least you expect that from them.
Shame on you “conservatives” and “republicans” that play to the lowest common denominator and just emphasize the total loss of any moral character in the Republican party.
Comment by Freedom — October 4, 2006 @ 5:06 pm
Attention all Liberal Socialist Dems. This is a message live from Afghanistan. These people here and in Iraq want to kill you and your permissive way of life. They want you to convert to their religion and celebrate Ramadon and bow to Ali and take away your right to vent on the internet. Forget the perverted congressman and the “lies”. Find a soldier and thank him for protecting your way of life.
Comment by Bruce P — October 4, 2006 @ 5:07 pm
Does anyone know the definition of bigot? And the age of consent is 16? Which state do you live in?
Comment by heythat'snotfunny — October 4, 2006 @ 5:08 pm
I guess the real conspiracy theory would be that Foley crossed party lines to become a Republican and then purposely entered into inappropriate communications with young boys. All in hopes of being caught. This evil plan of course backfired when the watchfull eyes of FNC labeled him for what he really is … “D”.
GOP - sly as a FOX ;)
Comment by Realistic — October 4, 2006 @ 5:11 pm
522 -
You assume we accept your premise that GW was “Lying to the country about the pretenses for going to war by fabricating intelligence reports about weapons of mass destruction and starting a pre-emptive war…”
Rational people of either party do not. Have you even thought about the logistics of such a conspiracy? For this to be true, all of the world’s intelligence services would have had to have been in on it since they all said the same thing leading up to the invasion. A number of prominent Democrats would have had to have been colluding with GW as well since they made public statements about their belief that Sadaam not only had WMD’s but was an immediate threat to the USA (look up some comments by Kerry, Pelosi, and others).
Such a conspiracy is laughable on it’s face. It is literally impossible for Bush to have all these agencies and Democrats in his pocket. Please stop insulting our intelligence.
Now, given that half your post is shown to be utterly rediculous, why don’t you come up with something else republican that compares to Clinton’s lies…
Comment by James — October 4, 2006 @ 5:12 pm
Sigh, keep up 526, the age of consent in DC is 16; just a simple fact that has been in this blog on numerous posts.
A bigot is someone who discriminates against someone else on the basis of race, religion, or sexual orientation.
Comment by James — October 4, 2006 @ 5:15 pm
Gee, aren’t politics fun!!!!!
Comment by J — October 4, 2006 @ 5:17 pm
528…..and why again are you right all of sudden?
Such a conspiracy is laughable, eh? Can you explain Karl Rove and Joe Wilson then?
Comment by JR — October 4, 2006 @ 5:19 pm
I’m glad Drudge linked to this site instead of the liberal/pro-MSNBC TVNewser ‘blog,’ which doesn’t even allow you to post comments. That Brian Stelter kid over there is a snake.
Comment by Greg — October 4, 2006 @ 5:19 pm
Where did you get your definition? Mine says: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices;
Comment by heythat'snotfunny — October 4, 2006 @ 5:19 pm
#523- Quit Lying- Monica was 22 or 23, NOT 19!
#507- Good answer! I will admit that Clinton lied to the American people, but that is not what he was impeached for. He was acquitted of all of those charges.
#509 I just have to quote you here:
“Obsolete aren’t you late for a rally somewhere? Maybe a book burning? A Hollywood premiere of how great Bill Clinton was?
Clinton admitted himself GUILTY do you not remember his prime time apology?
Regardless of what the vote is written as ” GUILTY OR NOT GUILTY” It represents a group of people who did not feel a consentual bj was reason to remove an elected president from office. Not that they felt he was innocent. Your arguing a point you obviously feel strongly in but have a complete lack of understanding in. The facts remain Clinton did it, lied, distracted, obstructed, then finally admitted.
Everything else is trivial details”
#520:
“So I guess OJ didn’t do it either, since he was found “NOT GUILTY”. This MUST be why he keeps looking for the REAL killers on all those golf courses.”
Actually, I am agnostic on the OJ case. Like almost all people, I was sure he did it. But several years ago, the BBC and a newspaper reexamined the case and came to the conclusion that it was more likely his son Jason committed the murders. A lot of the evidence was tainted by sloppy procedure, and some was most likely planted (like the glove). Further it was found that Jason had lied about his alibi that night, had it in for Nicole, was a chef at a restaurant where knives went missing, had been accused of domestic abuse of threatening a woman with such a knife, was known to have a short fuse, Had the same size feet and likely had the same shoes that OJ had, same blood type etc.
I regret not saving this article, and I admit it might be wrong and OJ really is the killer, but the article made me question the conventional wisdom.
Comment by obsolete — October 4, 2006 @ 5:22 pm
JR - your ignorant if you believe the liberal view there is/was no WMD’s in Iraq. Maybe the quantities are disputablebut not one intelligence community in the world disputes he had them. Most actually subscribe to the fact we either have not found them all or they were moved to Syria. No one disputes he used them on our soldiers in the first gulf war and on his own people.
What makes regime change in Iraq any different that regime change in the baltic states under clinton? Genocide in both cases, the big difference is the WMD threat and Saddam Husein wished harm on a more global level…
Comment by Scott P — October 4, 2006 @ 5:22 pm
Simple logic JR.
Are you telling me you believe GW has control over all the intelligence agencies (including those at odds politically with the USA) in the world? Please, I want you on record with that one, LOL. Yes, I repeat; laughable.
Karl Rove has next to no connection to Wilson. Have you been paying attention? Richard Armitage (an anti-war guy on record against GW on the Iraq invasion) has admitted he was the primary source for Novak. Don’t you think if Rove put him up to it, he would say so? He doesn’t even like Rove OR Bush.
Comment by James — October 4, 2006 @ 5:24 pm
So the guy’s a gay Republican with a thing for young boys… who cares? Slap an ankle bracelet on him and let’s move on to more important issues- like who’s going to win the World Series?
Comment by J — October 4, 2006 @ 5:27 pm
Scott P, it’s “you’re” ignorant….thanks.
Anway, bullheaded fools like you are a waste of time to try to debate with.
Blind Faith in poor leadership is not patriotism.
The bottom line is the Iraq war was a terrible idea. Terrible. The U.S. is in more threat of terrorism now than before the war started. World opinion of the U.S. is at an all time low. Why do you defend this war. Name me one good thing that has come out of this? Saddam’s gone? Who cares….seriously. I’d rather see Bin Laden gone.
and I’m still waiting to hear the defense of the Karl Rove/Joe Wilson saga.
Comment by JR — October 4, 2006 @ 5:30 pm
533, I’ll admit that my definition of “bigot” was out of my own head and what I have always understood it to mean. Am I wrong? What do you call a person who discriminates on the basis of religion for example? At any rate, what does this have to do with anything being discussed here?
534, there you go again accusing me of “lying”. Is everyone who holds a different oppinion then yourself a liar? Does anyone ever make mistakes or are they simply liars if they get a fact wrong? In any case, I read that Monica was 19 at the time of Clinton’s sex thing with her. She was (obviously) older when it hit the news and there was the trial and everything.
Comment by James — October 4, 2006 @ 5:32 pm
Oops- my response to this post didn’t show- Let me try again
#509 I just have to quote you here:
“Obsolete aren’t you late for a rally somewhere? Maybe a book burning? (ONY REPUBS BURN BOOKS, LIKE SCIENCE TEXTBOOKS) A Hollywood premiere of how great Bill Clinton was? (IS THERE ONE NOW PLAYING?)
Clinton admitted himself GUILTY (OF LYING TO THE PUBLIC) do you not remember his prime time apology? (YES)
Regardless of what the vote is written as ” GUILTY OR NOT GUILTY” It represents a group of people who did not feel a consentual bj was reason to remove an elected president from office. Not that they felt he was innocent. (THEN WHY WAS HE ACQUITED? BESIDES, DON’T YOU REPUBS REMEMBER HE WASN’T TRIED FOR THE SEX?) Your arguing a point you obviously feel strongly in but have a complete lack of understanding in. (TRANSLATION: KEEP YOUR FACTS OUT OF THIS!) The facts remain Clinton did it, (HAD ORAL SEX) lied, (TO THE PUBLIC) distracted, (BY TRYING TO KILL BIN LADEN, AS THE REPUBS CLAIMED) obstructed, (ACQUITED) then finally admitted. (LYING TO THE PUBLIC)
Everything else is trivial details” (LIKE HAVING A TRIAL BY A REPUBLICAN SENATE AND BEING ACQUITED)
Comment by obsolete — October 4, 2006 @ 5:32 pm
538, last post for me. I’m out of time.
Look up at post #536 for my answer to your Rove/Wilson question.
Comment by James — October 4, 2006 @ 5:34 pm
#539, maybe you weren’t lying, so I take that back. But the fact remains she was 22 or 23 when she had the affair, which means you got your information from liars.
Comment by obsolete — October 4, 2006 @ 5:35 pm
#539
The point I was trying to make is illustrated in your reference to post #534:
“Is everyone who holds a different oppinion then yourself a liar?”
Reading these posts I have noticed that very few, if any, change their idealogical positions. It seems that people should be open to new ideas and stop taking such great offense at those who disagree with them
Comment by heythat'snotfunny — October 4, 2006 @ 5:39 pm
Here go the Dems trying to re-write history. Clinton was not acquited, HE WAS IMPEACHED but not removed from office.
http://library.thinkquest.org/25185/gallery.htm
Comment by Realistic — October 4, 2006 @ 5:41 pm
you’re right I mistyped a word in that response. Maybe I should resign in disgrace as should every teacher I had because they were obviously responsible for this poor display of grammar.
Comment by Scott P — October 4, 2006 @ 5:43 pm
Does anyone remember when former UN inspector Scott Ritter was running around before the war trying to tell everyone that Iraq no longer had WMD, even writing a book about it? He was accused by many Repubs and Fox News of being a shrill for Saddam, and there were hints that he was on the payroll of Saddam.
Remember what happened to him? He was busted in a sting trying to meet a 17 year old girl for sex that he had met online. (He is a Repub, afterall).
He was effectively silenced, right before the war. Turned into an object of ridicule.
But he was right.
There were people who didn’t believe that Iraq still had any WMD before the war, including some from the intelligence community. They were all shutout, ignored, and/or ridiculed by the “MSM”.
Comment by obsolete — October 4, 2006 @ 5:44 pm
OK OK - before it comes up, Clinton WAS acquitted on other charges. I guess when you have done so much to be investigated for, some things are bound to fall through the cracks. Point is - Foley’s actions (gross as they were) still did not match the stigma and circumstance of Clinton’s, yet, he resigned. We aren’t spending alot of tax dollars for him to fight us in court now are we?
Comment by Realistic — October 4, 2006 @ 5:45 pm
#544
“Here go the Dems trying to re-write history. Clinton was not acquited, HE WAS IMPEACHED but not removed from office.
http://library.thinkquest.org/25185/gallery.htm”
Too easy! From the article you link t about presidential impeachment, referring to Johnson’s trial in the Senate:
“The prosecution was led by 7 House members. After the trial, senators were allowed 15 min. each during one day of debate to speak about the impeachment articles. The Senate then adjourned for a week. The final vote came in a dramatic roll call that lasted more than one hour. The outcome, in doubt until the very end, was 35 guilty votes and 19 not guilty-one short of the two-thirds majority needed.”
What does it mean when sombody is found not guilty? It means they are ACQUITED!
Comment by obsolete — October 4, 2006 @ 5:50 pm
# 547
OK OK - before it comes up, Clinton WAS acquitted on other charges.
(No he was acquitted of ALL charges!)
I guess when you have done so much to be investigated for, some things are bound to fall through the cracks. ( Are you saying that because they spent so many years and so much money investigating Clinton’s so many wrongdoings that they couldn’t find ANYTHING to stick? Usually the opposite is true- the more time, money and staff you have to investigate someone, the more crimes you find)
Point is - Foley’s actions (gross as they were) still did not match the stigma and circumstance of Clinton’s, yet, he resigned. (If you want to argue that trolling for underaged youths is a worse stigma than a consensual affair between adults, I hope all Repubs follow your lead)
We aren’t spending alot of tax dollars for him to fight us in court now are we? (No but Repubs should pay back the US taxpayers for the 50 million plus spent on a partisan witch hunt)
Comment by obsolete — October 4, 2006 @ 5:58 pm
#549 Nope - He WAS impeached.
Clinton was riddled with more scandal than any other President in history. He was so busy trying to cover his tracks, US embassys were being bombed, the USS Cole was attacked and we set back and let these thugs go.
You are still missing the final point Foley and Clinton are equal (sexual predators). If you want to justify one by calling it consensual, so be it - that is still not the arguement. Fact is Clinton misled EVERYONE (you included - yep - you were lied to by your buddy Bubba). Dems cannot let go of the “consensual adults” argument and see the big FACT - CLINTON LIED UNDER OATHE (Aren’t alot of other people in jail for that?). Believe me - I am not a Foley supporter but at least he hasn’t lied to us. He is taking the heat for his actions.
Comment by Realistic — October 4, 2006 @ 6:08 pm
#550
“#549 Nope - He WAS impeached. -(Clinton was impeached, and then he was acquitted. Why do you pretend that is so hard to understand?)
Clinton was riddled with more scandal than any other President in history. -( he’s the most investigated politician in history, and yet after many years and many millions of dollars, the investigation only accused of of one crime, for which he was acquitted. Whitewater? nope. Troopergate? No. Vince Foster? No. The list goes on and on.)
BTW- the Reagan administration has the most convictions of any administration, even more than Nixon!
He was so busy trying to cover his tracks, US embassys were being bombed, the USS Cole was attacked and we set back and let these thugs go. -(The 9/11 commision handily refutes your argument here. Of course, a lesser man might have been distracted from his duties to try to kill Bin Laden, when the repubs were shouting “wag the dog!”)
You are still missing the final point Foley and Clinton are equal (sexual predators). -( Clinton is not a sexual predator. No matter how many times you say it, that doesn’t make it true.)
If you want to justify one by calling it consensual, so be it -(It WAS!)
- that is still not the arguement. Fact is Clinton misled EVERYONE (you included - yep - you were lied to by your buddy Bubba). - (Yes, I was lied to.)
Dems cannot let go of the “consensual adults” argument -(Because it is true!)
and see the big FACT - CLINTON LIED UNDER OATHE (See my above posts, He was, in fact, ACQUITTED!)
(Aren’t alot of other people in jail for that?). -(Only if they are convicted of it)
Believe me - I am not a Foley supporter but at least he hasn’t lied to us -( Is hypocrisy considered lying?)
. He is taking the heat for his actions.” -(So should his enablers)
Comment by obsolete — October 4, 2006 @ 6:31 pm
Amen to all the people fed up with TVNewser’s liberal bias. Could he be more obvious about his disdain for Fox and love for MSNBC and Keith Olbermann?
Comment by Jamie — October 4, 2006 @ 6:52 pm
There’s the laugh of the day…tvn is liberal biased. SO I guess this makes ICN the RIGHT blog huh? Man ya’ll need to stop drinking the spoiled kool-aid.
Comment by Stud — October 4, 2006 @ 9:46 pm
“Good one JEFF! The Repubs the party of morals?? The list of the children they’ve been caught molesting is a mile long”
Let us see that “mile long” list Mark G.
Per JEFF: “Third, as SICK as it is… it isn’t against the law to have sx with a 16 year old in D.C., fourth, EVERYONE who is intellectually honest knows the Dems get treated by the press differently than the Republicans”
ANOTHER defense that this was OK!?!? It’s legal to have sex with a 16 year old in DC? So then it must be a blown up news story, right??? And you are correct,
Another liberal democrat who loves taking things out of context hey HYPOCRITS RULE? As implied that “It is sick” I think there is NO excuse for his behavior, whether legel or not, Woman or man. However morally repugdant you and I (well being a liberal you probably DONT think so) it is…it is STILL LEGAL!!! No law was broken…and it also seems to have come to light that this kid was 18, not underage as reported…when ALL is said and done, it will be shown that this is all another “Rathergate Story” Again, NO WAY his behaviors can be condoned, he is a sick man and sick men have NO place in society let alone politics (kinda like pathological liars; i.e. bill Clinton)
Common sense WILL prevail again in 2006…as it did in 1980, 84, 88, 94 congressional, 2000, 2002 congressional, 2004…
Now FOX is funded by the GOP? ohhhh-kay! Idoits!
Isn’t politics fun!!!!!
Gotta go and work now, millions of liberal democrats and welfare recipiants depending on spending 40% of my hard earned income in taxes…scumbags!
Comment by Jeff — October 4, 2006 @ 10:49 pm
#555
Stop the presses! You should call the FBI right now and tell them your certainty that no laws were broken, before they waste millions of dollars like in the Clinton witch hunt.
Of course, you might be wrong, as many are under the impression that Florida laws were broken (Age of consent: 18. The kid WAS 16, please don’t lie about that). Some say Federal laws may have been broken as well, laws sponsored by Foley to keep internet predators away from children under 18. In D.C., it is possible no laws were broken but that is hardly the only jurisdiction here.
BTW- your big, important job of picking up roadside trash is not actually a job. It is called community service.
And when it is over, you, like all repubs, will be the first ones to run for the welfare safety net. Nothing wrong with asking for help, but it is wrong to laugh at and think you are better than those less fortunate than you. Another “Compassionate Conservative” who believe they are following the teachings of Jesus, I guess.
Comment by obsolete — October 5, 2006 @ 12:41 am
According to this link: http://www.drudgereport.com/flashmfa.htm The page who received the sexual IM’s was 18 at the time. I’m not really sure about the age of the page who received the emails, but nothing illegal there. Creepy? Yes. Illegal? No.
But like I said earlier, anybody baited into arguing so passionately about these various paritisan issue du joirs is missing the big picture. BOTH political parties are corrupt. Both parties are ruining America. Democrats are better at rotting America from the inside out, while the Republicans are better at ruining us and the rest of the world abroad. BOTH parties take their orders from the same elite masters - the New World Order Crowd.
Comment by Eyeballs — October 5, 2006 @ 1:08 am
#557
Don’t bet the house that Drudge has his facts straight:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Blogger_outs_boy_in_Foley_scandal_1004.html
Quote:
“The blog Passionate America has revealed the identity and published a photograph of an alleged victim of disgraced Rep. Mark Foley in a post that was pulled and later re-posted with additional information.
RAW STORY can verify that the young man in question is not the Congressional page from the emails that originally surfaced; with that in mind, a direct link to the Passionate America post is not provided here.
RAW STORY has learned that the recipient of the Foley emails is currently 17 (and was 16 at the time of the correspondence).
Passionate America contends that the young man they identified took part in some of the instant message conversations obtained by ABC news. In those messages, the boy explicitly identified himself as being under the age of 18.
If the boy was over the age of 18 at the time of the messages, Foley’s communication with him would likely still be considered criminal. Sex predator legislation is generally written bearing in mind that law enforcement sting operations rely on undercover officers pretending to be minors.
However, even if he is now 21, the man identified could still have been as young as 16 at the time of the messages. ABC has stated that they are in possession of chat logs from as much as five years back.”
Comment by obsolete — October 5, 2006 @ 1:22 am
This whole Foley thing is very confusing, and the repubs are changing their stories hourly. My solution to get all the facts correctly? Easy! We MUST torture Hastert. I see no other way, and no reason for any repub to disagree with this. You are either with us, or with the pedophiles.
Hastert is old and surly in ill health, so waterboarding him is probably the limit to what should be done. We should be humane about this.
Comment by obsolete — October 5, 2006 @ 1:28 am
Time for some sleep, but it smells like……
VICTORY!
Comment by obsolete — October 5, 2006 @ 1:35 am
#556
Why are you AGAIN accusing someone of lying? At this time, there is a credible news story out that the boy was 18 at the time of the IM’s. There are other equally credible stories that say he was 16. My point is, right now there is some ambiguity about how old he was. To accept one side and stick to your guns is just illogical. The truth will come out shortly I am sure. It always does. Labeling someone a liar for not agreeing with you is specious.
Of course, if the page DOES turn out to have been 18, that really destroys the last vestiges of your argument doesn’t it? Can’t claim Foley was a pedifile and therefore worse then Clinton, LOL.
I would argue that actually HAVING sex with an underling is worse than chatting about it but that is just me…..
Comment by James — October 5, 2006 @ 10:14 am
#558
Sorry, chatting with a minor about sex who is over the age of consent is not illegal ANYWHERE in the USA; discusting and unethical, yes but not illegal.
Also, don’t try to confuse matters. It is the age of consent in DC that is important here; not in FL that Foley represented. That age is 16. you might be surprised to find out just how many states have ages of consent as low or even lower.
To summarize: No, it would not be considered criminal even if it turns out the kid was 16.
You and others labeling Foley as a pedifile are simply wrong. Even at 16, being at the age of consent, the page is legally defined as an adult in this circumstance. What Foley did was certainly depraved and very unethical given the difference in power but you can not truthfully or legally label what he did pedifilia. You can not even truthfully label it illegal. Even if he had gone further than just chatting with the page.
Personally, I don’t think Clinton is the best example of similar behavior on the Dem side. Stubbs is. The man actually did have sex with a 17 year old page; was censored on the house floor for it and still went on to serve at least three more terms before retiring IN SPITE of the fact he was totally unrepentant and turned his back in protest at his censure. It was obvious he did not believe he had done anything wrong. Yet, the Dems did not scream for his head (they were in the majority at the time). His liberal base apparently did not believe he did anything wrong either as they voted him back in until he retired.
There have been sexual scandles on both sides of the isle. They are all human with human failings. The striking difference is in how each is treated by his/her peers and voting base. Dems tend to protect their own and play down the significance. “It was a consensual relationship, bla,bla, non of anyone elses buisness, bla, bla”. Repubs tend to punish their own or even punish themselves (Foley resigned in disgrace). I don’t hear any excuses coming from the repub party on this; do you? I don’t hear anyone playing this down as a consensual relationship (and it surely was if you have read the IMs) between two people who are both above the age of consent. I am proud of our party for calling this what it is and punishing the perpetrator. To a person, every repub I have heard or read talk about it is calling this discusting and unethical and grounds for his resignation from the house. Why are the Dems still hammering us for doing the RIGHT THING? It just proves to me that it is pure partisenship on the Dem’s side.
Comment by James — October 5, 2006 @ 10:39 am
Please answer these questions for me:
How many of you HONESTLY vote in ALL elections?
How many of you campaign for candidates you support?
How many of you have run for an office so that you might try and correct the issues you are complaining about?
Like I said earlier, why spend this much time and energy blogging to others who will not change their opinion because of your comments (sometimes absolutely CHILDISH in nature)? Why not use this passion to actually try and do something? Campaign, protest, write the media, your
Congress(wo)men, or the POTUS! Or, how about run for an office? But for petes sake, stop this USELESS banter and MOVE ON!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Amber — October 5, 2006 @ 11:12 am
Dear Anyone who ever supported the Iraq war,
You should not be talking about this. I, personally, could care less if this guy raped 11 pages. DON’T CARE!!!! What I do care about is the Americans you are directly responsible for killing. You shouldn’t be posting here, you should be travelling the country apologizing to every member of every family whose son, daughter, father, mother, cousin, uncle, friend or even enemy of the people who you supported sending off to die for a war of national liberation. Wars of national liberation was for the commies. You are much more like the commies than any liberal will ever be. You are swine and you should all be executed for treason to this country, along with the C student wack job you elected.
Start here:
http://www.icasualties.org/oif/BY_DOD.aspx
Congratulations. You’ve killed Americans. Your opinion on anything doesn’t matter.
Comment by Tom — October 5, 2006 @ 1:29 pm
Tom, you are just a mean-spirited idiot. The only people interested in what you have to say are the far left liberal fringe.
Yes, I did support the Iraq war as did the majority of Americans at the time. I currently have a nephew over there risking his life daily for something he believes in and I support him and everyone else over there unreservedly.
I won’t bother listing any of the good things we have achieved in Iraq since you don’t believe we have achieved anything of value anyway and will just continue in your ignorance no matter what anyone says.
I didn’t “get anyone killed” and neither did anyone else who didn’t either force someone over there against their will or kill them theirselves. Our military is an all volunteer force. These men and women were adults who made their own choice to join up knowing full well that the very reason for a military to exist is to fight wars. Many of them, like my nephew and his best friend, joined up after the Iraq invasion and knew they would be sent to Iraq when they joined. To say they were duped is just insulting to them. They went in with their eyes wide open. Soldiers are re-signing for extra tours in record numbers. Why do you think that is?
The recently revealed NIE reports say exactly what GW has been saying all along: that Iraq is a central front on the war on terror. Yes, it says that the Iraq invasion has intensified the conflict but think about that a little. Any time you choose to fight back against anyone, the fighting intensifies by definition. This was not unexpected. The report also says that if the terrorists are perceived to have failed in Iraq, fewer fighters will take up the cause. So, more terrorists are in Iraq now and if they suceed, terror gains more momentum but if they fail, terror loses momentum. If that doesn’t define Iraq as a central front in the WOT, I don’t know what does. GW has said from day one that it would be a long and difficult fight. Why are people castigating him now because it did indeed turn out to be a long and difficult fight? Did anyone think it would be easy and without sacrifice? Is Osama Bin Laden right? have we become a nation that runs yipping with our tail between our legs if the enemy inflicts even minimal casualties? Is America that much of an abject coward as a nation? If it is, we don’t deserve to win or even to exist. We ran away from Somalia after taking 17 or 18 casualties. That was the first time I know of that we ran like that yet that has been referred to by OBL and other spokespeople for Al Queda many, many times. By our cowardice in the face of a little fire, thousands upon thousands of new terrorists were inspired and emboldened. How many of our current casualties are because of that one embarrasing episode in our history? They refer to it constantly and say they were so “surprised at the cowardice of American Soldiers” (direct quote from OBL himself). OBL said that was when he realized America was a paper tiger and we could be beaten. Mull that over a little and if that doesn’t make you burn with embarrassment for our country then you are part of our problem. Just one episode in our history and look at the damage it has caused. Now imagine we abandon Iraq in the face of record low (in comparison to any other modern war) casualties. We will make the terrorist problem orders of magnitude worse. Our allies will lose faith in us and our enemies will rejoice, be emboldened, and multiply. That will put us in an exceedingly difficult place and may even lead to the destruction of our country IMO. WE HAVE TO SUCCEED IN IRAQ. There is no other option.
As for your oppinion that anyone who supported the war are traitors, that would include the majority of Americans. In my oppinion it is the ones who root for our defeat; who are invested in our defeat; who provide aid and comfort to the enemies of our country by sapping the moral of our citizens; who go on the air and publicize every mistake or bad act yet hide or minimize every success and act of compassion and thereby give more people a reason to hate us; who rally to the defense of terrorist organizations like Hezbollah; who actively call for our defeat while living here and enjoying our hospitality. THESE people are the traitors. Does anyone here think for a nanosecond any of that would have been tolerated during WWII? These people would have been prosecuted so fast their heads would spin. And you Tom, you sound just like them. You want to see a traitor Tom? Look in the mirror.
Comment by James — October 5, 2006 @ 3:24 pm
Hello… Is this blog locked or something?
Comment by James — October 5, 2006 @ 3:32 pm
OK, I’ve tried 3 times now to reply to that whackjob, Tom and it isn’t getting through.
What are the blogging rules here? Is there a length cap? Are certain subjects (outside of the obvious, porn, etc.) off-limits?
There is no cursing or obscene content in my reply. Why is it not getting through?
Comment by James — October 5, 2006 @ 3:37 pm
I don’t know what caused it to get stuck in the blog’s holding bin. But I passed it through…
Comment by Spud — October 5, 2006 @ 3:46 pm
563.
Umm, politics are what this blog is about isn’t it? People debating other people presenting arguments and facts to support their side is how it’s done.
As a matter of fact, I DO vote every time; not that it matters for the purpose of discussing politics. Is my 1rst ammendment right hinged on whether I vote? People here have the right to say whatever they want; make any argument and try to persuade anyone to their point of view. If you don’t like it, you don’t have to participate.
Comment by James — October 5, 2006 @ 3:47 pm
Thank you Spud. Much appreciated. Sorry it turned out so long. That is probably the reason it got stuck. People like that just make my blood boil though, LOL.
Comment by James — October 5, 2006 @ 3:51 pm
I didn’t read half of what you wrote. Here is reality. Hezbollah, Al Queda, Hamas and the average Arab have one thing in common: They all see us as the Brits. The Brits are horrible, and they would be worse if they hadn’t attacked Egypt along with the French and Israelis. The Truman Doctrine was the writting on the wall, and every Arab saw it. The United States declared, in escense, that we are the new Brits. Until we live that down, this “crusade” (the idiot’s words) will continue. They don’t give a crap about our way of live, whether our men have sex w/ each other, whether we draw cartoons or Muhammad, what the Pope says or any of that other crap. They care about two things: Arab independence and Palestine. They have been asking for both since before WWI and the Brits stabbed them in the back. Idiots like bin Laden capitalize on our own stupidity. (us is the west in thier minds, not the US). The reality is the third world doesn’t want the commies or the capitalists rolling over them.
You can quote the govt all you want… if you believe anything of what any govt says you really aren’t interested in reality. The fact of the matter in Iraq is that we have done some good, we just had no right to do it. If the Iraqis wanted to fight Saddam, don’t you think they could? We have more money, better weapons, better technology, better leadership ect ect ect. And what is happening? Soon to be 3000 American kids dead. How many of Saddam’s soldiers where killed by suicide attacks in the last 5 years of his reign? Ask that same question of Americans since the twit forced kids to invade iraq.
Comment by Tom — October 5, 2006 @ 5:24 pm
Republicans in this thread have no principles. They are actually talking about Clinton when Republicans have a rap sheet on molesting children a mile long Unbelievable.
Comment by Andrew — October 5, 2006 @ 10:26 pm
572
Where have any repubs in this thread excused Foley or in any way minmized what he did or said he shouldn’t have resigned? All these “unprincipled” repubs are doing is pointing out the hypocracy of the Dems in playing up this incident for purely partisen political gains while ignoring equivalent or even greater sins by members of their own party.
You can call names all you want. The Dems screaming about foley while white-washing Clinton, Stubbs, Frank, and others is just rank hypocracy. A facts I’m sure is glaringly obvious to all but the most blinded Dem partisen.
They ALL should have been ejected from congress in disgrace; every last one of them. Members of congress of both parties should be held to a higher standard. They are supposed to be role models. How many here would like their kids to emulate a congressperson now?
Just as an aside, I would not be at all surprised if such apparent hypocracy comes back to bite the Dems in the butt in November. In spite of what Dems think, most people in America are not idiots. I expect a backlash. They are their own worst enemy. Every time an election is virtually handed to them, they overplay the hand and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. It is just so ironic.
Comment by James — October 6, 2006 @ 12:53 pm
Oh, and BTW, where is that “list a mile long” of repubs who molest kids? I think this is at least the second time I have read someone claim that but have yet to see the list. I think you might be at a disadvantage if you want to compare repubs to dems when it comes to sexual inpropriety. I think you might be a MOBY; prove me wrong….
Comment by James — October 6, 2006 @ 12:59 pm
Tom
If you aren’t even going to read the rebuttles to your tripe there is no reason to even debate. You are an abhorrant human being; you are beneath me and nearly everyone else on this blog and I won’t waste my time anymore. Rant all you like.
Comment by James — October 6, 2006 @ 1:04 pm
James,
What brilliant observation did you make in your post? How our military is all volunteer? OH BOY… HOW BRILLIANT! I didn’t realize that before!!!
Here is something unique. Go the your local library that has the entire catalogue of the Christian Science Monitor (the only paper that really counts). Read Brehznev’s justification on the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Compare and contrast to the twit’s justification. You will see many similarities. I don’t need a rehashed communist argument from you. That’s what history books are for.
Then read Gorbachev’s analysis of both the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and the current Iraq stupidity. Iraq has in fact become “our national bleeding wound.” If you live in the Northeast, go to Northeastern University where he funded the Russian Institute. He speaks there often. Ask him. Notice the consistency of a man with a brain. (not that he’s all that great, but he’s smart)
During WWII the Japanese made the error of an unsucessful attack on Pearl Harbor (if they were successful, they likely would have won the war). The major contributing factor to that decision was not only the strategic importance of the Pacific Rim, but that fact that they started to believe their “superior race” propoganda. People like you are helping our country make the same idiotic mistake.
Comment by Tom — October 7, 2006 @ 11:02 pm
When will Americans get wise ??????? The dems and the Repuglicans are all in bed with big business which actually controls the PUPPETS in D.C.
Comment by Daniel Fountain — October 25, 2006 @ 11:00 pm