Comments on: Schadenfreude? http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/ Unvarnished news & opinion on cable news Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:54:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: Stud http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17952 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:16:00 +0100 http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17952 Just what kind of comments would we expect from the whackos at fnc? Sincere...I think not. FNC will have its day on the doom and gloom side of the news. Just what kind of comments would we expect from the whackos at fnc? Sincere…I think not. FNC will have its day on the doom and gloom side of the news.

]]> by: Goldfish http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17950 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:07:33 +0100 http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17950 I am wondering how the relative control over content of MSNBC primetime shows (whatever remains) will fare at 30 Rock. I am wondering how the relative control over content of MSNBC primetime shows (whatever remains) will fare at 30 Rock.

]]> by: Spud http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17949 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:58:36 +0100 http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17949 I don't think MSNBC is in danger of being scrapped. Today's move probably gives it a new lease on life...if it was ever in danger to begin with. It all depends on just how MSNBC is integrated into 30 Rock. Will the powers in charge be smart about it or will they muck it up? The history of NBC's oversight of MSNBC doesn't bode well though. But who knows? I don’t think MSNBC is in danger of being scrapped. Today’s move probably gives it a new lease on life…if it was ever in danger to begin with.

It all depends on just how MSNBC is integrated into 30 Rock. Will the powers in charge be smart about it or will they muck it up? The history of NBC’s oversight of MSNBC doesn’t bode well though. But who knows?

]]> by: erljr http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17947 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:43:17 +0100 http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17947 Now is anyone ready for some perspective? Where is the doom and gloom crowd from last night who was predicting the end of MSNBC? Here are some facts: In 2001, NBC had a total workforce of roughly 5600. In that year they cut 560 jobs, 10% of their workforce. At some point, they aquired Telemundo and various other properties. The Universal Studios merger was completed in 2004. Today NBC Universal has a total workforce of 14,000. The plan according to today's reports, is to cut 700 people, roughly 5% of their workforce, over about an 18 month period. Currently, NBC Universal reports 7-8% staff turnover every year. Most of the info learned today was actually known long ago. The lease at Secaucus running out next year. All of the news properties duplicating, and actually competing in many cases with each other. Merging resources has long been known to be in the future. Merging bureaus, making one unified east coast operation, and one unified west coast operation. How many tidbits were actually added today? We all knew merging resources would happen way before any decision to scrap MSNBC. Sure that may be in the future at some point, but there are still a few more steps to take first. Now is anyone ready for some perspective? Where is the doom and gloom crowd from last night who was predicting the end of MSNBC? Here are some facts:
In 2001, NBC had a total workforce of roughly 5600. In that year they cut 560 jobs, 10% of their workforce.
At some point, they aquired Telemundo and various other properties.
The Universal Studios merger was completed in 2004.
Today NBC Universal has a total workforce of 14,000. The plan according to today’s reports, is to cut 700 people, roughly 5% of their workforce, over about an 18 month period. Currently, NBC Universal reports 7-8% staff turnover every year.
Most of the info learned today was actually known long ago. The lease at Secaucus running out next year. All of the news properties duplicating, and actually competing in many cases with each other. Merging resources has long been known to be in the future. Merging bureaus, making one unified east coast operation, and one unified west coast operation. How many tidbits were actually added today?
We all knew merging resources would happen way before any decision to scrap MSNBC. Sure that may be in the future at some point, but there are still a few more steps to take first.

]]> by: erljr http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17942 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:26:13 +0100 http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17942 I do think they were gloating; but why wouldn't they. FNC is regularly chastized as the only network that has any bias by the Cafferty's and Olbermann's and the Klein's and basically the whole rest of the news media for the past 10 years. And still they latch on to any statistic they can find to point to FNC and say told you so. So why wouldn't the people at FNC want to gloat a bit? Sure FNC has had 8 months of ratings declines, but they're still, at least for now, #1. I do think they were gloating; but why wouldn’t they. FNC is regularly chastized as the only network that has any bias by the Cafferty’s and Olbermann’s and the Klein’s and basically the whole rest of the news media for the past 10 years. And still they latch on to any statistic they can find to point to FNC and say told you so. So why wouldn’t the people at FNC want to gloat a bit? Sure FNC has had 8 months of ratings declines, but they’re still, at least for now, #1.

]]> by: Ira http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17938 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:26:32 +0100 http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17938 Remember that Gibson worked at MSNBC and Cavuto at CNBC and they certainly have friends there. Unlike Scarborough and Keith, they showed class when they could have gloated. Remember that Gibson worked at MSNBC and Cavuto at CNBC and they certainly have friends there.

Unlike Scarborough and Keith, they showed class when they could have gloated.

]]> by: Alison http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17937 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:20:56 +0100 http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17937 Shep did have a good point. Apparently Fox is expanding while NBC-Universal is making massive cuts. Shep did have a good point. Apparently Fox is expanding while NBC-Universal is making massive cuts.

]]> by: Missy http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17936 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:06:33 +0100 http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17936 Guys, I did not see either Shep's or Cavuto's statements (live) today, but from reading the transcripts, I honestly don't think either of them meant any malice toward MSNBC or its employees. It sounds like Shep started off just reporting on MSNBC's financial difficulties, and then invited MSNBC employees to seek work at Fox if so inclined. But I don't think his "well wish" was said in the way Fox usually wishes people well! I can't imagine him being cruel at a time that is quite sad for many NBC/MSNBC employees. But I can honestly say that I am SURE that Cavuto meant no harm! I'd say at least twice a week, he ends his program telling of someone who had a lot of success who ended up losing it all, not keeping things in perspective, falling on hard times, etc. It sounds like that's what he did here, but commenting on an entire network instead of his typical example of an individual. Also, I'm pretty sure that Cavuto's statements (CNBC and MSNBC falling on hard times) were based more on financial measures than ratings. It's likely that there's quite a lag between a network's ratings and it's ad revenues and/or costs, etc. And coming from Cavuto's perspective, it's probably more likely that it was the financial situation to which he referred. Guys, I did not see either Shep’s or Cavuto’s statements (live) today, but from reading the transcripts, I honestly don’t think either of them meant any malice toward MSNBC or its employees.

It sounds like Shep started off just reporting on MSNBC’s financial difficulties, and then invited MSNBC employees to seek work at Fox if so inclined. But I don’t think his “well wish” was said in the way Fox usually wishes people well! I can’t imagine him being cruel at a time that is quite sad for many NBC/MSNBC employees.

But I can honestly say that I am SURE that Cavuto meant no harm! I’d say at least twice a week, he ends his program telling of someone who had a lot of success who ended up losing it all, not keeping things in perspective, falling on hard times, etc. It sounds like that’s what he did here, but commenting on an entire network instead of his typical example of an individual.

Also, I’m pretty sure that Cavuto’s statements (CNBC and MSNBC falling on hard times) were based more on financial measures than ratings. It’s likely that there’s quite a lag between a network’s ratings and it’s ad revenues and/or costs, etc. And coming from Cavuto’s perspective, it’s probably more likely that it was the financial situation to which he referred.

]]> by: Nobody http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17934 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:43:55 +0100 http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17934 Gibson did a story on it tonight as well. It was a very well done report. They even called Brian William's their friend. Not only that, but they didn't twist things around. For once, FOX News actually gave the news as it really is. Thank you John Gibson for using sense. Maybe this is a sign of things to come? Gibson did a story on it tonight as well. It was a very well done report. They even called Brian William’s their friend. Not only that, but they didn’t twist things around. For once, FOX News actually gave the news as it really is. Thank you John Gibson for using sense. Maybe this is a sign of things to come?

]]> by: Mr A http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17931 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:16:34 +0100 http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17931 Actually, Spud you're right. Reading that transcript through again and it doesn't look like Smith is actually being gracious at all. My mistake! I don't know much about the history, did Fox have any time for MSNBC before Olbermann started "attacking" them with impunity? Actually, Spud you’re right. Reading that transcript through again and it doesn’t look like Smith is actually being gracious at all. My mistake! I don’t know much about the history, did Fox have any time for MSNBC before Olbermann started “attacking” them with impunity?

]]> by: museglet http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17930 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:12:23 +0100 http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17930 Exactly, Spud. It's an NBC/Universal CORPORATE decision, long-awaited after the merger. Shutting down Seacaucus makes perfect business sense, regardless of the current state of MSNBC and CNBC, which is actually FAR better than one year ago. And Shep "gracious"? More like "snide", but he's entitled, since KO and Joe and others at MSNBC will just throw it back. Exactly, Spud. It’s an NBC/Universal CORPORATE decision, long-awaited after the merger. Shutting down Seacaucus makes perfect business sense, regardless of the current state of MSNBC and CNBC, which is actually FAR better than one year ago. And Shep “gracious”? More like “snide”, but he’s entitled, since KO and Joe and others at MSNBC will just throw it back.

]]> by: Spud http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17929 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:47:12 +0100 http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17929 <em>That was very gracious of Shepard.</em> There are many words I can think of to describe it. Gracious would not be one of them. I find it fascinating that basically one person at MSNBC, Keith Olbermann, manages to generate this kind of response. Doocy, Gomez, Smith...I hear Cavuto commented but I don't know what he said yet. Talk about a dissproportionate reaction...having numerous people respond because of the antics of <em><strong>one man</strong></em>...<em><strong>not an entire network</strong></em>? And this isn't even bad news per se for MSNBC. That was very gracious of Shepard.

There are many words I can think of to describe it. Gracious would not be one of them.

I find it fascinating that basically one person at MSNBC, Keith Olbermann, manages to generate this kind of response. Doocy, Gomez, Smith…I hear Cavuto commented but I don’t know what he said yet. Talk about a dissproportionate reaction…having numerous people respond because of the antics of one man…not an entire network? And this isn’t even bad news per se for MSNBC.

]]> by: erljr http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17927 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:25:12 +0100 http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17927 The more they copy FNC, the more FNC copies them. Kicking the other guy when they're down... Gloating is human nature; but I've been hearing about the demise of MSNBC for a long time, and I'm still waiting. The more they copy FNC, the more FNC copies them. Kicking the other guy when they’re down…
Gloating is human nature; but I’ve been hearing about the demise of MSNBC for a long time, and I’m still waiting.

]]> by: Nobody http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17925 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:14:05 +0100 http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17925 She was on at 1PM and 2PM. Did nearly the same report with some different but very similar video. She was on at 1PM and 2PM. Did nearly the same report with some different but very similar video.

]]> by: Mr A http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17924 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:12:17 +0100 http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17924 That was very gracious of Shepard. Amidst all the rivalry in the cable news world - they're all working in the same business and colleagues losing their jobs is never good news, even if they are working for a competitor. That was very gracious of Shepard. Amidst all the rivalry in the cable news world - they’re all working in the same business and colleagues losing their jobs is never good news, even if they are working for a competitor.

]]> by: OverHere http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17923 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:04:26 +0100 http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17923 1:07 is Martha MacCallum's hour. I saw that report and the transcript as Spud reported it is correct. 1:07 is Martha MacCallum’s hour. I saw that report and the transcript as Spud reported it is correct.

]]> by: Terance http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17921 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:06:37 +0100 http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17921 Hmmm. Well that transcript is not the segment I saw. Gomez made it seem like they only run tape in prime time, period. Hmmm. Well that transcript is not the segment I saw. Gomez made it seem like they only run tape in prime time, period.

]]> by: Spud http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17919 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:01:20 +0100 http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17919 It wasn't Skinner's hour. It was the hour before that. Gomez must have come on more than once... It wasn’t Skinner’s hour. It was the hour before that. Gomez must have come on more than once…

]]> by: Terance http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17918 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:50:17 +0100 http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/10/19/schadenfreude/#comment-17918 I saw Rebecca Gomez on during Jane Skinner's hour and she didn't say "crucial" at all. Perhaps she reported the same story multiple times and this "transcript" has been cherry picked in order to cover-up the falsehood. I saw Rebecca Gomez on during Jane Skinner’s hour and she didn’t say “crucial” at all. Perhaps she reported the same story multiple times and this “transcript” has been cherry picked in order to cover-up the falsehood.

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