Monday’s Numbers…
Hannity and Colmes had over 2,000,000 viewers last night. Meanwhile over on MSNBC I guess there were people tuning in to see what would happen because Imus easily beat American Morning.
Cable News Ratings for April 9, 2007
P2+ Total Day
FNC – 901,000 viewers
CNN – 528,000 viewers
MSNBC – 354,000 viewers
CNBC – 229,000 viewers
HLN – 259,000 viewers
P2+ Prime Time
FNC – 2,073,000 viewers
CNN – 884,000 viewers
MSNBC – 520,000 viewers
CNBC – 150,000 viewers
HLN – 440,000 viewers
25-54 Total Day
FNC – 250,000 viewers
CNN – 185,000 viewers
MSNBC –129,000 viewers
CNBC – 81,000 viewers
HLN – 127,000 viewers
25-54 Prime Time
FNC – 454,000 viewers
CNN – 279,000 viewers
MSNBC – 181,000 viewers
CNBC – 62,000 viewers
HLN –186,000 viewers
Morning programs P2+ (25-54)
FOX & Friends – 784,000 viewers (298,000)
American Morning – 325,000 viewers (120,000)
Imus in The Morning- 461,000 viewers (143,000)
Robin & Co. – 227,000 viewers (165,000)
6PM - P2+ (25-54)
Special Report with Brit Hume – 1,292,000 viewers (254,000)
Lou Dobbs Tonight – 1,023,000 viewers (249,000)
Tucker– 269,000 viewers (107,000)
Mad Money – 310,000 viewers (69,000)
Prime News – 207,000 viewers (79,000)
7PM - P2+ (25-54)
FOX Report with Shepard Smith – 1,405,000 viewers (264,000)
Situation Room – 894,000 viewers (258,000)
Hardball – 478,000 viewers (166,000)
On The Money – 144,000 viewers (a scratch with 29,000)
Glenn Beck – 311,000 viewers (139,000)
8PM - P2+ (25-54)
O’Reilly Factor– 2,831,000 viewers (586,000)
Paula Zahn – 626,000 viewers (217,000)
Countdown w/ Olbermann – 686,000 viewers (186,000)
Fast Money- 132,000 viewers (a scratch with 43,000)
Nancy Grace – 582,000 viewers (191,000)
9 PM - P2+ (25-54)
Hannity & Colmes – 2,005,000 viewers (420,000)
Larry King Live – 1,064,000 viewers (257,000)
Scarborough Country – 506,000 viewers (221,000)
The Apprentice– 170,000 viewers (88,000)
Glenn Beck – 273,000 viewers (120,000)
10 PM P2+ (25-54)
On the Record w/ Greta Van Susteren – 1,382,000 viewers (355,000)
Anderson Cooper – 964,000 viewers (363,000)
MSNBC Special– 368,000 viewers (135,000)
Donny Deutsch- 149,000 viewers (54,000)
Nancy Grace – 463,000 viewers (247,000)
11 PM P2+ (25-54)
O’Reilly Factor Special – 1,375,000 viewers (461,000)
Anderson Cooper – 509,000 viewers (267,000)
MSNBC Investigates- 399,000 viewers (182,000)
Mad Money– 127,000 viewers (53,000)
Showbiz Tonight – 382,000 viewers (170,000)
Interesting day…Robin & Co beat MSNBC/CNN and Zahn beat Slobermann…
Comment by Anonymous — April 10, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
Oh yeah…and AC beat Greta!
Comment by Anonymous — April 10, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
KO again in 4th, and fighting for 3rd in the all-important, ever-coveted, direly-wished for, forever-desired, really-relished, eternally-enjoyed, whew, demo!!
Comment by Jim — April 10, 2007 @ 5:45 pm
I think it is worthy to count both figures not whichever one fits your point of view “anonymous.” She may have beat him in the demo, as well as Grace, but the total viewers numbers are important as well and there he finished in second. You therefore are being disengenious. But that isnt a surprise.
Comment by Randy — April 10, 2007 @ 5:47 pm
It’s kinda of a long running inside joke regarding TVN Brian’s propping up of KO and his “good” demo numbers vs. BO. He always downplayed total numbers ( just a bunch of old people who don’t spend money and hence do not draw advertisers ) so as to please his hero KO. I think total numbers are always very important. As one of the old people, I still seem to spend a huge hunk of change every week.
Comment by Jim — April 10, 2007 @ 5:52 pm
I’m not surprised that H&C did well last night. They had on Patrice O’Neil right off the bat… and he really sparks up the debate. It’s a little hard to figure out what he’s saying, and what his actual point is… but he is very entertaining to watch… and has good credibility on this topic. The 30 minutes (or so) that he was on, was great… really entertaining discussion.
That’s the reason why I think one of the networks should bring back Colin Quinn’s old show from Comedy Central. A bunch of comedians, talking politics, can get away with so much more, and can be so much more entertaining than the regular “blah-blah” of a talking head show. Plus, could be a great way to get in some more demo viewers. But hey… that’s just me.
Comment by ImNotBlue — April 10, 2007 @ 5:54 pm
I know this is all a shot at Stelter.
BTw, def count on KO getting killed today. Nancy Grace will draw huge numbers with the ANS news of the day.
Comment by Randy — April 10, 2007 @ 5:55 pm
Jim… agreed on the demo vs total topic. I think the idea that the younger folks buy more is bunk. My parents are in the demo (almost out)… and I just entered the demo… there’s a whole lot of difference in their buying habits, versus my buying habits. I’m counting my pennies… they’re buying luxury cars. To say we’re the same… or that my dollar is more valuable a year or two down the road is just nonsense.
Comment by ImNotBlue — April 10, 2007 @ 5:58 pm
Blue, actually a week ago, Lewis Black taped a pilot of a show just like that by the producers of “Real Time.” It is going to be on Comedy Central and be called “The Root of all Evil.”
Comment by Randy — April 10, 2007 @ 5:59 pm
Neat… I’ll have to check that out.
Comment by ImNotBlue — April 10, 2007 @ 6:02 pm
Wow. Those are some big ratings for O’Reilly. Over 4.2 million total and over 1 million in the demo for the two showings. It’s funny that KO gets all the press, but BOR gets 4 times the viewers.
Comment by TBDave — April 10, 2007 @ 6:20 pm
That sometimes happens with better shows.
Comment by Randy — April 10, 2007 @ 6:24 pm
KO will forever and ever be written up as the hottest new thing on cable news. The fastest growing, truth-telling personality. No matter what we do.
Comment by yvonnejim — April 10, 2007 @ 6:25 pm
Concerning the advertisers, it’s not necessarily how much disposable money the demo viewers have, but that they’re younger and more likely to find a brand and stick to it for the future, guaranteeing the advertisers sales; whereas, most of the older viewers already have a brand choice and are less likely to switch.
Comment by Steven — April 10, 2007 @ 6:28 pm
#4 give me a break…you make it sound like I come here all the time and harp over the demo figures all the time like others (for the record I haven’t posted in the ratings sections for weeks)…aside from that, even Olby’s TOTAL viewer figures are nothing to write home about anyways…
Comment by Anonymous — April 10, 2007 @ 6:50 pm
And sometimes it happens because the critics agree politically with the host… and want to advance their own agenda.
Comment by ImNotBlue — April 10, 2007 @ 6:51 pm
I think the idea that the younger folks buy more is bunk.
The theory isn’t that younger folks buy more; it’s that they’re less brand-loyal and more susceptible to brand-switching. There’s no point in advertising, say, Tide detergent to people who already buy it; you want someone who uses another brand to switch to it, and the older you get, the theory goes (and there’s a lot of empirical evidence to support this), the less likely you are to switch from one brand to another, all other things being equal.
Comment by Arthur — April 10, 2007 @ 6:52 pm
#13 - No matter what we do? What are you doing to ‘fight’ the perception that KO is the ‘hottest new thing’? Other than posting here, I mean.
Comment by Arthur — April 10, 2007 @ 6:53 pm
Number 14, its not a surprise because there are a ton of people like you.
Comment by Randy — April 10, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
An interesting point, Arthur… but I wonder how true it really is. Perhaps it was just how I was raised… but to me brand loyalty, is like political loyalty: if you put your faith in something 100%, you’ll always wind up being disappointed.
I suppose the question I’d ask about this would be in reference to the effectiveness of the commercials. Are people (even if they are less brand loyal) more influenced by commercials depending on youth? While cleaning out my grandfather’s apartment… we’ve found a lot more “As Seen On TV” than I or my parents own.
I’d like to see that research, this is very interesting.
Comment by ImNotBlue — April 10, 2007 @ 7:07 pm
#19 - here’s an article that speaks to the theory and slightly debunks it, although it makes clear that the ‘younger demo more malleable’ meme is conventional wisdom (if not strictly speaking true) in advertising.
Comment by Arthur — April 10, 2007 @ 7:20 pm
Great find, Art… very interesting
Comment by ImNotBlue — April 10, 2007 @ 7:44 pm
Apparently Randy still is dillusional.. he says KO has a better show, but gets destroyed in the ratings, finishing 4th in the demo in his timeslot, while BO killed him and BO’s repeat still more than doubled KOs live program.. will you ever get a clue? or are you just stupid consistently?
Comment by chet — April 10, 2007 @ 8:29 pm
INB how about citing a study. You say that the idea that people in the demo purchase more is bunk, how about you provide an official economic or business study to support your claim. The fact is whether you like it or not, people within a certain age group have a greater propensity to consume than those within another, that is the case with the demo. Its simple economics. You make it seem that advertisers are all misguided in their regard for the demo, but clearly there has to be a reason why people within the age group that make up the demo are more saught after than others and its because such folks in general and when compared to older and younger age groups have a greater propensity to consume.
Comment by Sam — April 10, 2007 @ 8:30 pm
I’m 23 so I’m not in the demo yet haha
Comment by chet — April 10, 2007 @ 8:32 pm
Hey Chet, is American Idol the best show on Television? Hell nO! So explain to me why I should listen to your theory that the best show is the one with the most viewers?
Comment by Randy — April 10, 2007 @ 8:44 pm
So what criteria are using to say that KO is a great show..??.. absolutely nothing.. he puts other anti-american liberals on there, and bash Bush and Fox News.. just like you do.. shame on you and KO
Comment by chet — April 10, 2007 @ 8:58 pm
Answer me Chet. Is American Idol the best show on television because it has the most viewers? Is Titanic the best movie ever because it made the most money? Answer my question first Chet, then I will answer yours.
Comment by Randy — April 10, 2007 @ 9:02 pm
Randy- Don’t tell me what to answer…The fact is you consistently come on here, and bash O’Reilly.. just like your friend KO.. I’m telling you that BO relates with cable news viewers the best out of all the other cable shows.. the ratings data points that out repeatedly.. MSNBC’s hate stuff that KO has throughout his program, does not work, and on Monday was 4th in the Demo… MSNBC is now blaming FOX News for the Imus controversy.. it is so ridiculous that you align yourself with that network and the hate speech of KO.. I’m 23 and know a hell of a lot more than you do!!
Comment by chet — April 10, 2007 @ 9:14 pm
So how does you being 23 have any bearing on you thinking you know more than me? Again I will say to you, American Idol is hardly the best show on television and Titanic is not the best movie of all time. Viewers dont always mean that something is the best. I would argue that in the case of Countdown vs. O’Reilly.
Oh and while your at it, how is MSNBC/Countdown hateful and anti-american? Anti-bush doesnt mean Anti-American.
Comment by Randy — April 10, 2007 @ 9:20 pm
Sam- It is my opinion that the demo ideas are out dated… and I think that it’s clear I was talking about MY experiences that have led me to that conclusion. Arthur provided an article that speaks to the topic.
Randy- Yeah, American Idol isn’t the best show on TV. But Seinfeld was getting high ratings, and WAS the best show on TV. So what’s your point? Sometimes high ratings are because the show is “the best,” sometimes it’s just because people like it. Either way, better ratings means someone MUST be doing something right! People don’t watch crap, just to watch something.
So why should a show, that clearly isn’t that popular… at least is significantly less popular that other shows… get all this press? What do the critics know, that the public doesn’t? And why is it only the critics who seem to see this?
You can have a product, and 3 people can love it… but if 100 other’s don’t… why waste your time talking about it?
Comment by ImNotBlue — April 10, 2007 @ 9:20 pm
Anti-American… KO did not report the story of the captured UK sailors, until AFTER they were released. Didn’t even mention it.
Anti-American, rooting for the enemy’s success… ignoring important stories because they don’t fit your Anti-American agenda.
Comment by ImNotBlue — April 10, 2007 @ 9:23 pm
Sometimes the highest rated show is the best show on TV, but what Im getting at is, is that it isnt ALWAYS the case.
Comment by Randy — April 10, 2007 @ 9:23 pm
Not talking about a story isnt Anti-American. That is an awful argument.
Comment by Randy — April 10, 2007 @ 9:24 pm
Randy - your obsession with American Idol and Titanic is going off the subject.. I never mentioned that show or movie once…Randy again has no criteria in what he calls a ‘good’ show.. Randy made an off hand comment that KO was a good show, and had nothing to back it up… This blog is about TV Cable News Ratings, and our opinions of it.. that’s what I am going off of.. also, half the time when you don’t like KOs ratings, you start bitching and complaining that the numbers on here are not correct..
Give me a break! You complain about BO.. one of his major things is Jessica’s Law, BO supports it, so I suppose you don’t, right?? IF BO is awful like you say, then you must disagree with him, RIGHT?????
Comment by chet — April 10, 2007 @ 9:31 pm
ImNotBlue is right on the money.. thanks for exposing the Anti-American crap that KO supports, and exposing Randy’s nonsense
Comment by chet — April 10, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
How can this be? Only a few weeks ago, some genius writing for the Cornell Alumni Magazine declared (with no evidence, of course) that Olbermann not only had a lock on “second” place, but that Olbermann was particularly popular among “younger” viewers. Evidently, among Cornell graduates FOURTH place out of FIVE in the critical, key, all-important, coveted demo means “popular”. Interesting.
Comment by Tom — April 10, 2007 @ 9:36 pm
That’s the liberal bias that colleges have.. my school does the same nonsense
Comment by chet — April 10, 2007 @ 9:39 pm
Randy, not reporting that… purposely avoiding a story because it doesn’t fit your agenda… even though you say you have a “News” program… isn’t wrong? Reporting a story that shows what our enemies are capable of, what they want to do… a story that brought us to the bring of war, get’s spiked and that’s fine.
Of course it’s Anti-American! The only reason KO didn’t report this story is because it would make all those other stories he’s done about how Iran doesn’t want trouble with the west look like crap. It would make him look stupid, and his argument that IT’S THE US’S FAULT look ridiculous! Come on, you’re just floundering now.
Comment by ImNotBlue — April 10, 2007 @ 9:41 pm
Well, you’d have to know Cornell… and more importantly the city of Ithaca, NY to understand their love for KO.
A left-wing town doesn’t begin to describe it!
Comment by ImNotBlue — April 10, 2007 @ 9:43 pm
Boston, MA.. it’s even worse.. We just elected a Governor that tried to get a rapist out of jail, who even had DNA linking him to the crime, and he also supports illegal aliens.. just a complete disgrace.. I’m sure Randy agrees with it tho!!!!
Comment by chet — April 10, 2007 @ 9:47 pm
It may be calculating, but not Anti-American.
I think this is the best show because yes, it supports my views, but also because he mixes news fun and interesting, whether it be Oddball, Worst Person in the World, Newsmakers, Soundbites, or Keeping Tabs. I think the news industry can get boring with all the repetition, and I know that I am going to get something fresh when I watch Countdown. That is why I think Countdown is the best show on cable news.
Chet, your point about Jessica’s law is just stupid. Just because I dont like the guy and his show, doesnt mean I disagree with everything he says. For me to comment on the law however is something I cannot do because I really dont know that much about it.
I have only once complained that the numbers on here didnt seem correct, ONCE!
THe reason Titanic and American Idol fit, because it refutes your claim that just because the American Audience watches something more than something else doenst mean that the quality of that show, program, or movie is better. That goes for Film, Network Television, as well as Cable News.
Comment by Randy — April 10, 2007 @ 9:49 pm
It may be calculating, but not Anti-American.
I think this is the best show because yes, it supports my views, but also because he mixes news fun and interesting, whether it be Oddball, Worst Person in the World, Newsmakers, Soundbites, or Keeping Tabs. I think the news industry can get boring with all the repetition, and I know that I am going to get something fresh when I watch Countdown. That is why I think Countdown is the best show on cable news.
Chet, your point about Jessica’s law is just stupid. Just because I dont like the guy and his show, doesnt mean I disagree with everything he says. For me to comment on the law however is something I cannot do because I really dont know that much about it.
I have only once complained that the numbers on here didnt seem correct, ONCE!
THe reason Titanic and American Idol fit, because it refutes your claim that just because the American Audience watches something more than something else doenst mean that the quality of that show, program, or movie is better. That goes for Film, Network Television, as well as Cable News.
Comment by Randy — April 10, 2007 @ 9:50 pm
CALCULATING WHAT?!!! If he’s not calculating how he can further his point of view (which is Anti-American) that what the hell is calculating?
And why is it that when someone like O’Reilly does a “light” segment (like the body language, or the “Great Culture Quiz,” or even a story about ANS or Britney) he gets raked over the coals for not sticking to the hard news… but when KO plays with friggin’ puppets, he’s edgy. Puh-lease.
Comment by ImNotBlue — April 10, 2007 @ 10:00 pm
I honestly dont know what you are talking about when it comes to him getting raked over the coals for his quiz or body language. I personally dont do it.
I also distinguish between doing fun things and doing an ANS story or Britney. That is also why I love KO. FOr me and many of his viewers, we dont want to hear about either of them. So what he does, is even though Anna Nicole was one of the top two most covered stories today, he still covered the “important” stories of the day. He did Iraq first. He puts ANS and Britney in either the very last story or in Keeping Tabs.
I personally do not agree with KO not covering the Iran-UK story (Surprised I said that?). By Calculating I admit that he has an agenda and it really doesnt fit his agenda. That is why I am criticising him for it. At the same time however, that doesnt mean he is anti-american at all. Im getting pretty sick of people questioning Americans patriotism and calling them Anti-American just because they stand up to government and disagree with the Bush Admin.
Comment by Randy — April 10, 2007 @ 10:06 pm
So what do you call it? Forgetfullness? An oopsie-daisy?
There’s a reason for it. There’s an agenda behind it. So what is that reason, what is that agenda? If you can come up with one other than rooting for America to look like the bad guy, I’d like to hear it.
Comment by ImNotBlue — April 10, 2007 @ 10:12 pm
It is perceived as being harder to stop a possible war with Iran when they do things like this.
Comment by Randy — April 10, 2007 @ 10:14 pm
Randy has just fulfilled what I have been criticized for pointing out what Olbyloons do:
When the demo numbers don’t fit, then trot out the total numbers. When that fails, trot out DVR and YouTube. When that flops, blame ANS, American Idol, The moon, passover, carbon offsets, etc.
Also Randy, you tipped yourself off as not being American by writing “criticse” instead of using the “z”.
Comment by eddiebear — April 10, 2007 @ 10:28 pm
So… KO wants to make it look as though a war with Iran IS EASIER TO STOP than it really is… He wants convince his audience of this point, instead of giving them all the information. And you don’t see a problem with that?
Not Anti-American? If the US goes to war with Iran, the audience will see America as the bad guy, because that’s how he wants them to see it. And that’s not Anti-American?
Come on Randy… you’re better than this.
Comment by ImNotBlue — April 10, 2007 @ 10:43 pm
I do see this as a problem. Didnt you read what I said? I dont agree that he didnt cover the story. I really dont have the exact reason for him not covering it. However, I also believe the response that he is anti-American is to yet again use Cheney’s word, Just Hogwash!
Comment by Randy — April 10, 2007 @ 10:50 pm
ImNotBlue: Randy isn’t better than this..he does it every night… I think he needs to get some sleep, and maybe he’ll make some sense tomorrow when BO crushes everyone in the ratings again…And if somehow Countdown ends up 2nd, then Randy can start bragging again, and write about Titanic and American Idol a few more times.
Comment by Chet — April 10, 2007 @ 11:06 pm
And Randy- if you’re agreeing that KO improperly covered the Iran story to promote his Anti-American agenda, why don’t you have the moral courage to condemn it and say it as it is.. ANTI-AMERICAN.. if he’s on IRAN’s side. then he isn’t on AMERICA’s.. therefore, he has an ANTI-AMERICAN position.. try to follow it.. I know it’s hard for liberals like you.. The Blame America crowd
Comment by Chet — April 10, 2007 @ 11:08 pm
Its not an Anti-American agenda!
Comment by Randy — April 10, 2007 @ 11:11 pm
Chet, you are a slanderous propagandists. Are you sure you arent Sean Hannity? Im done with you.
Comment by Randy — April 10, 2007 @ 11:16 pm
Chet… I disagree. Randy, more often then not, has been pretty reasonable. I may not agree with much, but he (Randy’s a ‘he’?) usually can discuss things reasonably… and without becoming childish like some of the other posters, that I’ve debated with around here.
But Randy, you don’t have a leg to stand on, and you know it!
Comment by ImNotBlue — April 11, 2007 @ 12:15 am
Does anyone know what the O’Reilly Factor Special is?
Comment by Cory — April 11, 2007 @ 12:25 am
Blue, thanks for the support against Chet. Look, I dont have the reason why KO didnt want to cover the story, but saying it is because he is anti-american is a cheap shot.
Comment by Randy — April 11, 2007 @ 1:39 am
To call anyone “anti-American” because they don’t support Bush’s war and like Olbermann’s show is nothing short of dispicable. While I don’t agree with everything KO has done or said, I agree with him most of the time….and NO ONE in America has a right to question my patriotism, or anyone else’s patriotism simply because we believe different from them. I for one, am a veteran who served my country honorably during wartime, and I suspect Chet probably has not. I do find it eye opening that so many people like Chet, who have such rigid beliefs regarding God and country are young and have not served themselves. If you people want to dislike KO’s show and what he stands for…fine! But you need to get off this “Anti-American” bull, because just the act of making belicose statements like that makes YOU the one who is actually “Anti-American”!
Comment by Mike — April 11, 2007 @ 3:53 am
Mike, Randy– here you go again with the lies.. I have never mentioned GOD or The War in Iraq at all… how can either of you say I said those things when I didn’t….Either you don’t know how to read or you are just making things up as you go.. .AND if people like KO and Rosie supported Iran in the hostage crisis, then they are ANTI-American, because they weren’t on America’s side.. So stop with the lies.. I never mentioned Iraq or God at all..
Comment by Chet — April 11, 2007 @ 9:33 am
Chet ole Buddy, you reached in there and pulled out my ‘God’ reference while missing the entire point of my post. As a corollary, I never mentioned ‘Rosie’, just like you never mentioned ‘God’, but you chose to throw it in there anyway. Let me educate you about something Chet; “God and Country” is merely a time tested phrase to describe people like yourself who misunderstand the true meaning of patriotism themselves….but then turn around and question the patriotism of others. As for being on “America’s side”, I don’t really see where you’re on “America’s side”, and that actually makes YOU the one who is anti-American. Debate and diversity of opinion is what has made America great, not the closed minded rhetoric like you have been displaying on this thread. We all want what is best for America, and whether or not YOU are capable of understanding the logic of the opposing view does not make any other American “anti-American”…it simply makes you shrill and intolerant. I was young like you once, and my views at that time displayed much of the naivetivity that your’s display now.
And by the way Chet, I never mentioned Iraq either.
Comment by Mike — April 11, 2007 @ 12:27 pm
Mike, the naivity has nothing to do with being young. I cant even legally drink yet, and I can understand that differences of opinions in this country should be embraced, and that disagreeing and letting your opposition to what the government does be heard is some of the greatest forms of patriotism.
Anyway, so basically Mike, Chet is Sean Hannity.
Comment by Randy — April 11, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
You guys are an absolute disgrace… I’ve seen the troops interviewed and their families and they are disgusted with people like Rosie, KO and all the liberals underming them and supporting the enemy.. I support their mission!! .. I have not questioned the right of KO and Rosie to say what they want to say, but people have a right to respond to their crap also…So again you guys aren;t telling the truth… I never said that those people didn’t have the Right to say what they want.. but I have the right to say that they are supporting the enemies cause, and hurting OUR troops..
Comment by Chet — April 11, 2007 @ 12:45 pm
Mike- you also say I support ‘close-minded rhetoric’…. the people that we are fighting with in the war on terror are in the middle east and they are the ones that support ‘Close-Minded Rhetoric’, because they kill or torture people to death if you say anything against them.. these are the people we are fighting against, and I support that fight, so I am on America’s Side! get a clue for once.. I am supporting America in this, and that is pretty clear.
Comment by Chet — April 11, 2007 @ 12:49 pm
Chet: It’s sounds to me like you’ve been thoroughly ‘hannitized’! What YOU don’t get is that I am also “supporting America on this”, and I want America to stop hanging itself with bad policy….and I’m sure Randy does too….as Keith Olbermann undoubtely wants as well (and I don’t know or care what Rosie O’Donell’s motivations might be..YOU brought her up…not me). We just have very different ideas about what “supporting America” actually means. And Chet, quit throwing that silly “what the troops think” argument at us, because you don’t have a clue what “the troops” actually think. All you’ve heard is a few selected interviews…NOT a cross section of real opinion. The ‘troops’ have many different opinions on this, just like their counterparts in America. I’ve heard many troop and family interviews who agree with me, just as you’ve heard ones that agree with you, including the veteran I know personally who just recently returned from Iraq.
Oh, and Chet, did I mention that I used to be a ‘troop’ myself? So please quit trying to use that tired old “I know what the troops think” right wing argument on me. What YOU are supporting is America literally depleting itself in a long and unnecessary war of attrition that is taking an incalculable toll on moral, personell, treasure, and world opinion. We are doing precisely what the terrorists wanted us to do. I for one, have never believed that walking right into your own enemies trap is good strategy, but that is precisely what we have done in Iraq, and that is what you are blindly supporting….Therefore I question YOUR OWN patriotism for advocating continuation of a no win situation that we never should have stepped into in the first place.
Comment by Mike — April 11, 2007 @ 2:16 pm
Apparently you want to pullout, and enable terrorists to take it over, so we can pay for it with another 9/11 here in America..instead of dealing with the problem now… good strategy Mike
Comment by Chet — April 11, 2007 @ 4:55 pm
Look, I’m not questioning the patriotism of anyone but KO. The same KO who, for whatever the reason, has seen fit to spike stories that don’t fit his particular agenda. An agenda that clearly is rooting against America.
I have no problem with him (or anyone else) not supporting the war. I don’t even have a problem with someone not supporting this mission! But clearly rooting for failure… for spiking stories that would let people see something contrary to his beliefs… for purposely hiding facts in the effort of making America look worse… I believe that KO is Anti-American.
Nobody thus far has told me why he’s not. Nobody’s gave me a reason that he can still be considered patriotic.
Comment by ImNotBlue — April 11, 2007 @ 9:31 pm