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August 3, 2007

Dodd vs. O’Reilly…


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  1. Dodd won that one in my opinion. Reading some of the comments on youtube, you’ll assume according to BOR that everyone who ever visited that site is a hate monger, because sometimes hateful things are posted on there. Culture worrior lost that one.

    Comment by chi — August 3, 2007 @ 10:40 am

  2. Bill is right, Dodd doesn’t read the Daily Kos or watch the Factor, but then Dodd needs somebody to talk about him because I guess he wants to make it to the Democrat Primarys? I think Bill used hiim to get buzz about the Factor and raise his ratings. If you can’t join em, use em. It was an event, not staged but had a predictable outcome.

    Comment by Ree — August 3, 2007 @ 10:52 am

  3. That site is so profane, that you feel like you need a shower after only reading a few comments.

    Comment by spiffo — August 3, 2007 @ 11:04 am

  4. It’s not that difficult to police a website if you actually want to. Blogsome does very well.
    Dodd looked like an imbecile and a fool. I hope he was simply trying - and failing - to spin; and really isn’t as dumb as he lets on.

    Comment by erljr — August 3, 2007 @ 11:37 am

  5. Dodd is trying to get on the left, left side of Daily Kos fans before their conference this weekend. What a transparent ploy.
    He doesn’t stand a snowball’s chance in hell in the election.
    Say Good Night, Dodd.

    Comment by Cella — August 3, 2007 @ 11:59 am

  6. sometimes hateful things are posted on there.

    chi: Sometimes?

    As I noted below, an O’Reilly emailer counted 7200 uses of the F-Word on Daily Kos yesterday. And that Lierberman picture has been up for a year.

    Sometimes?

    Comment by Ira — August 3, 2007 @ 12:49 pm

  7. Could Dodd look like a bigger suck up to the DailyKos crowd? It’s sad!

    Comment by Edward Schatz — August 3, 2007 @ 2:18 pm

  8. I think both made valid points -

    O’Reilly is right by accusing Dodd of “legitimizing” the content on the website by appearing at their yearly conference….much the same way a Republican would “legitimize” the hateful rhetoric of the late Jerry Falwell by, say, attending his commmencement ceremony at his college.

    Dodd was correct in basically saying that O’Reilly was cherry-picking a few comments from hundreds of thousands of members (don’t know if that 500K figure is accurate, but just the same). In the past on his radio show, O’Reilly has pointed out that the “far-left” had tarred the entire military based on isolated incidents like Haditha and Abu Gharib. He is doing the same thing here (I know there were prosecutions in this case, but still he was pointing out that the “far-left” was pointing to the bad behavior of a few and denouncing the entire armed forces for it).

    In the end, Cella summed it up well…Dodd got the attention of a potential constituency, and O’Reilly will get some ratings from it.

    Comment by FishOil — August 3, 2007 @ 2:46 pm

  9. For me the most ridiculous moment was when Dodd correctly quoted O’Reilly’s comment about AlQaeda striking San Francisco. When O’Reilly asked Dodd where he had said it, Dodd incorrectly said “on this show”. O’Reilly said he was wrong and implied that he had never said those words. In fact he had said those words, but on his *radio* show. I don’t think O’Reilly could have been any more disingenuous at that moment. I cringe at the number of individuals who might rely on him for “truth”. Runner-up for most ridiculous moment: O’Reilly calling Dodd a “propagandist”; reminds me of one of my favorite Friends lines: “Hello, pot? This is kettle. You’re black!”

    Comment by Jay — August 3, 2007 @ 2:48 pm

  10. Jay… come on… that’s bull and you know it. The whole San Fran thing was debunked soon after it happened. Just more taking things out of context by the O’Reilly haters mob.

    And I still don’t understand this notion of cherry picking. How many quotes does he need to get before it’s no longer cherry picking, and it’s just facts and evidence? I think the most telling thing against Kos is the “Screw ‘em” comment from Kos himself. If you’re going to complain that O’Reilly is wishing violence upon people… how can you justify the founder of the website saying that he’s cool with soldiers dying in Iraq?! THAT’S hypocrisy!

    Comment by ImNotBlue — August 3, 2007 @ 3:13 pm

  11. ‘And if Al Qaeda comes in here and blows you up, we’re not going to do anything about it. We’re going to say, look, every other place in America is off limits to you, except San Francisco. You want to blow up the Coit Tower? Go ahead.’ - Bill O’Reilly. He said it. Word for word. Now one can argue the context of those words. Do I think he actually meant it? Of course not. But Dodd brought it up, and O’Reilly played it off last night like he never said it. Watch the clip again. Parse it any way you like, but it’s clear what he was trying to pull.

    As for cherry-picking, it will never be settled between the left and the right. O’Reilly will cherry-pick the Kos website and find awful things and smear the community as a whole. Admittedly, the Kossacks will do the same w/ O’Reilly’s shows and message boards, as with the quote above. Both sides are guilty. The difference is I’ve never heard the people on Kos insist they were perfect and never at fault. Did you see the post the other day on Kos about the guy who went to O’Reilly’s home? He was torn apart by the posters on Kos. Yet call out O’Reilly on items posted on his message board, and it’s ‘No, not on my board! We don’t do hateful stuff!’ Bull.

    And by the way, the ’screw em’ post Kos made years ago was not about soldiers. It was about the corporate security individuals who were in Iraq for profit, not US soldiers. Now do I agree with “screw em” even in that context? Nope. I still think it was a bad moment for him. But the context is important. I’m shocked that Bill O’Reilly failed to provide said context…

    Comment by Jay — August 3, 2007 @ 4:00 pm

  12. Jay,

    Why don’t you go over to the Daily Kos and read the site. I did and there is hate all over it. I posted a message to try to give a conservative viewpoint and it was quickly erased. I thought liberals like the free exchange of ideas, I guess it is only their ideas that count.

    Comment by Sam — August 3, 2007 @ 5:22 pm

  13. Jay, how come you’re full of context for the Kos thing, but no context for O’Reilly?

    When he made those comments, it was in the midst of San Fran. doing everything they could to get the military out of there. No recruiting… no docking of historic ships… no ROTC. They wanted all the benefits of being protected by the military, but didn’t want any of the effort that goes along with it. O’Reilly’s point (and the aforementioned context) if you don’t want to participate, don’t bother asking for help.

    But all people heard was, “O’Reilly wants to attack San Fran!” Come on. Besides, Dodd brought it up trying to show that O’Reilly says “vile things”… but it was obvious that Dodd had never actually heard the quote, didn’t know what he was talking about, and was just regurgitating something he picked up from an anti-O’Reilly source.

    And please… O’Reilly’s board is considerably more policed than Kos. In the past few weeks, it’s been cleaned up quite a bit… but if it’s as clean as you suggest… then why would Markos put out a letter asking posters to “tone it down” and “keep it civil”? You don’t ask for that, when things are fine and dandy.

    I hardly think the context around the “screw ‘em” line (something I don’t remember O’Reilly actually bringing up… but he should have) makes it any better. The fact remains that he said people, in Iraq, who are (for whatever reason) fighting for and re-building that country, and getting killed aren’t worth caring about is disgusting. All the candidates should have to answer whether or not they agree with that statement, and then why (if they don’t) would they agree to participate in anything he hosted.

    If O’Reilly’s comments are (according to many of the current Dem candidates) so vile, that they can’t bear to participate in anything sponsored by FOX… why are Kos’s comments forgivable? He never apologized for them. He never took them back. I would assume he stands by them today. So why is that okay?

    Comment by ImNotBlue — August 4, 2007 @ 1:05 am

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