Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
The New York Times’ Jacques Steinberg and Bill Carter scoop about Rosie O’Donnell being in serious discussions to come to MSNBC prime time…
Rosie O’Donnell, who abruptly left “The View” on ABC last spring after drawing attention and ratings for her opinions on everything from the Iraq war to her co-hosts, is in serious discussions to return to television atop a new soapbox: a prime-time show on the cable news channel MSNBC, according to executives on both sides of the negotiations who have been briefed directly.
Under one scenario, Ms. O’Donnell would be given the 9 p.m. slot each weeknight on MSNBC, where she would go head-to-head with two heavyweights of cable talk: “Larry King Live” on CNN and “Hannity & Colmes” on Fox News. Her show would replace “Live with Dan Abrams,” a relatively low-rated program that only recently replaced “Scarborough Country,” which was also little-watched.
This doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. Setting aside my own natural horror at the thought of Rosie O’Donnell getting a prime time cable news gig, there are some things that don’t add up here. Is Rosie really willing to work that many hours a day to put in the effort to have a quality show four days a week? And if they tie that in to NBC, that’s even more hours per week.
Second, and even more importantly, salary. Would NBC really offer Rosie more than Olbermann gets currently? Because you know 4 million a year, what Olbermann is rumored to be getting, just ain’t going to be enough. And this is the network that has been in NBCU 2.0 budget cutting mode for over a year and a 4 million plus budget busting contract is not something I see them taking on.
So for those two reasons alone, I’m not convinced that this story is anywhere near as realistic as it’s being made out to be.
Update: Another thing just hit me. All of Rosie’s previous TV show appearances have had a studio audience component. She has never been seriously tested in a non-studio audience environment. So NBC faces another tough choice, put her on in an environment that may not be her strong suit or bring in a studio audience four nights a week. And that would be another huge cost to incur on top of all the other costs of bringing in Rosie.
Update 2: This part should have some tongues at MSNBC wagging…
Her show would replace “Live with Dan Abrams,” a relatively low-rated program that only recently replaced “Scarborough Country,”
Who pulled out the long knives for Abrams? This sentence runs 180 degrees counter to everything that has been said about Abrams’ program publicly by MSNBC. When the switchover from GM to show host was announced, we read about how Abrams had improved the numbers at 9pm. But to read this sentence you’d think that Abrams’ show was found under a rock. Which makes me question someone’s motives…
If this turns out to be true and the details are finalized, CNN would be toast. Do they think Larry King and Campbell Brown would be able to compete with Rosie? I doubt it.
Comment by Anonymous — November 5, 2007 @ 6:35 pm
She fits in perfectly with the moonbat philosophy NBC has taken. I hope they go for it, and toss that last little remaining shrewd of credibility out the window.
Comment by bigred — November 5, 2007 @ 6:36 pm
MSNBC is my favorite channel. I have it on all day (until the doc block comes on), and my friends even make fun of me because I’m so obsessed with it. I would consider boycotting over this. What’s happening, MSNBC? First Imus gets fired, then this? And if Tucker goes… I don’t know what I’ll do.
Comment by Flangus — November 5, 2007 @ 6:38 pm
Assuming Rosie gets the 9pm slot… I see Abrams hanging around and replacing Tucker.
Comment by Terance — November 5, 2007 @ 6:48 pm
About time. She definitely give both LK and H&C run for their money. It would do well for couple of months, but I don’t know she will be able to keep up the ratings. Good Idea on paper but….I don’t know.
Comment by chi — November 5, 2007 @ 6:48 pm
Please, someone tell me that I am having a nightmare.
You’re kidding, right?
What else is this ship of fools at MSNBC going to do?
Comment by Cella — November 5, 2007 @ 6:54 pm
Rosie will not put a dent into Fox. Mess-NBC is so screwed up they would have to air executions in Florida.
They can’t compete. They have inferior management.
Comment by Bruce — November 5, 2007 @ 7:03 pm
This is about the most stupid move I have heard recently. What are the empty heads at MSNBC thinking of? This will fly only if they can gather enough loons like Rosie to listen to her dirty and nonsensical rantings. All I can say is MSNBC must be so desperate they would be willing to grab
a buffoon.
Comment by RGL — November 5, 2007 @ 7:25 pm
i think they should have given her the morning slot vacated by imus. still, watching rosie kick the crap out of that tiny-girl-fingered hannity would be something. i will watch so long as its politics-based and not a celebrity crap show
Comment by dexxjones — November 5, 2007 @ 7:25 pm
Well, Rosie is a nut-job and has to prove it constantly. I could care less. She will get some viewers because people love watching a train wreck. I am just apathetic about it because it doesn’t concern me at all and neither does messtv.
Comment by Mary — November 5, 2007 @ 7:37 pm
Now the 9/11 Truthers will have a poster child who has cable TV news show. MSNBC is turning into God’s gift to the GOP. I second Spud’s opinion: Noooooooooooooooo!
Comment by Goldfish — November 5, 2007 @ 7:37 pm
Okay, I hope she does get a show, just to watch the commenters here melt down.
Comment by Arthur — November 5, 2007 @ 7:37 pm
Please no! If she wants a show let her do one for the Logo Channel. That would make more sense then MSNBC.
Comment by Richard W. — November 5, 2007 @ 7:39 pm
This could be fun..what happens if her ratings are better than KO’s?…that alone would be worth the BS we would have to endure from Rosie.
Comment by mlong — November 5, 2007 @ 7:43 pm
According to the update at TVNewser a NBC executive did confirm the story but said they were far from a done deal.
ditto to the Nooooooooooooooooo!
Comment by myview — November 5, 2007 @ 7:44 pm
Cool, The more nuts on MSNBC the better. Remember fire can’t melt steel.
Comment by Lurker — November 5, 2007 @ 7:46 pm
well this just proves it, what I have always said, msnbc and nbc are the networks for liberals and that’s all they care about. conservatives need not watch. its bad enough with olbermann and that turncoat scarborough who sold his soul and now sounds like a democrat, they can no longer say that they are unbiased, ROSIE????? disgusting!!!!! why do you think their ratings are so bad??? they cater to the libs and not many watch. let’s see how long she last.
Comment by sandra — November 5, 2007 @ 7:46 pm
Rosie & Keith, sitting in a tree….match made in media matters heaven!
Comment by Melanie — November 5, 2007 @ 7:47 pm
She doesn’t ‘wear well’ over the long haul. She did great on her original show, but that’s when she was ‘nice’, and somewhat playing the ‘gracious host’. Since she’s playing herself now, she doesn’t wear well…
Comment by cas — November 5, 2007 @ 7:49 pm
I hope it happens. I have said many times before, the best thing that ever happened to Republicans is nuts like Olbermann, rosie, and the countless other left nuts. Why dont they put Michael Moore on too?
Comment by Tom P — November 5, 2007 @ 8:00 pm
I agree with #19: Rosie was very popular when she played nicey-nice for an afternoon audience of moms and kids. She wore out her welcome (and how) when she was on The View. God only knows why MSNBC would consider giving Rosie a show. And NBC would have to shell out the big money for her.
Comment by Goldfish — November 5, 2007 @ 8:00 pm
The only way I see a 9pm slot working for Rosie/MSNBC is if they completely forget about her doing the SOS as Cosby&Abrams.. In other words, they have to start from scratch and I feel she could be successful with a LKL type show.. or who knows, maybe even a round table. Like it or not, she brings in the numbers. Oh, and FNC plays her clips about every 15 minutes when she’s on. Only one problem though, if they continued along that path, “the people” could “find” Rosie at 9pm instead of H&C.
Comment by Terance — November 5, 2007 @ 8:02 pm
They would likely pair her with someone like Phil Donahue so I don’t see a problem with Rosie O’Donnell going to MSNBC. If Dennis Miller can get his own segment on FNC, why can’t O’Donnell have her own show?
Comment by RJ — November 5, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
I guess the move to the extreme far radical left by MSNBC is now complete with their impending addition of Rosie to their line-up. Becoming the anti-Fox is how apparently they believe they’re going to boost their ratings. Let it explode in their faces. It hasn’t worked with Olbermann so what makes them think adding Rosie will? Good luck with that one MSNBC!
Comment by Alison — November 5, 2007 @ 8:12 pm
Miller had his own CNBC show too. And it was a disaster…
Comment by Spud — November 5, 2007 @ 8:12 pm
#24. The last time I check KO’s audience has been growing. Evidently, it hasn’t been that much of a disaster if people are still watching his show.
It worked for BO why wouldn’t it work for Rosie
Comment by chi — November 5, 2007 @ 8:25 pm
I do not want Rosie on cable news just cuz I dont think she would be a good fit. However, for MSNBC, this would bed fantastic. This would help their ratings greatly and get rid of the low-rating Abrams show. I was also pretty sure that Scarborough’s numbers beat Abrams’.
Comment by randy — November 5, 2007 @ 8:33 pm
Ratings would probably be good for a whole 30 days…then when the novelty wears off, she’ll have to swing upside down or break her fingers live on air to keep aswim. But by that point Glenn Beck re-runs would be doing better than her, so she would tank, like everything else at MSNBC does eventually (with the exception of KO).
Comment by sivart — November 5, 2007 @ 8:43 pm
people who use the word “liberal” with the same inflection as “pedophile” have limited credibility to begin with. always on the lookout for the next thing to be afraid of.
jesus was a liberal folks. do you think he would have liked the rush limbaughs of the world? sneaking off to exotic locals with drugs and sex aids? get a clue people.
as for rosie, the right wing always needs a new boogieman. the party of fear and hatred would have a new person to fight with. they hate her more because she actually fights back.
as for keith olbermann, he is doing very well in “the demo” against bill o’reilly who skews very old. just fyi.
Comment by dexxjones — November 5, 2007 @ 8:44 pm
Spud: Your analysis is sound except “long knives for Abrams?” What was Carter supposed to write; Abrams DOES have low ratings!
Comment by Ira — November 5, 2007 @ 8:46 pm
The idea of the studio audience is interesting - if she chose a political topic to talk about, had on some folks from both sides of the argument and had an open mike for audience members to ask questions or make comments…MSNBC might have something to work with.
I know that is a carbon copy of the Phil Donahue show, but O’Donnell might be able to bring an audience to it.
Anyway, this is the only format I could think of where O’Donnell would succeed. I’ve seen clips from “The View” and she can’t hold her own in a debate, so she would have to be the host/moderator and only interject a few observations at the most.
Personally I find her to be abrasive and ill-informed, so her show would not be on my tivo. But MSNBC could have something that would bring in decent ratings if they don’t turn it into a show where O’Donnell just spouts off about 9/11 inside jobs and why Bush should be impeached. The show won’t last 6 months if this is the case.
Comment by FishOil — November 5, 2007 @ 8:51 pm
Jesus was a liberal? I don’t remember ever hearing that God had a political affiliation or stance during any sermon or church activity. Talk about limited credibility.
Comment by Goldfish — November 5, 2007 @ 8:57 pm
Well Spud, judging by your subject title the huge amount of right wingers on this site have got to you. I’m no fan of Rosie but you’re way over the top.
Comment by Mike Beckham — November 5, 2007 @ 9:05 pm
I think the incident with Elizabeth Hasselback on “The View” proved that Rosie can’t deal with someone who doesn’t expressly agree with her. I agree the a studio show would be more her style, but I can’t imagine her actually ahving anyone on who would debate her.
That would give MSNBC two programs, back to back, that were “my opinion only” shows. Personally, I think that starts to cut into the networks credibility. Plus, is there really evidence out there that says Rosie would be a draw to people? How well is her book selling? “The View” lost people after she left, but gained people since Whoopie joined. I’m not yet convinced that she could bring in the viewers like it’s assumed she could.
Comment by ImNotBlue — November 5, 2007 @ 9:10 pm
#28
LOL Rosie doesn’t fight back. She picks on the weak and when someone does fight back like Trump she crawls back into her hole. Also a repeat of BOR airing for the 4th time doubled Olby in total viewers and beat him in the demo.
Comment by Lurker — November 5, 2007 @ 9:11 pm
INB, you make a few good points, but you have to remember (in regards to the ratings), that Rosie doesn’t need to pull in 3 million people to make this show a success (ratings The View pulled in on a normal day last year). Even a steady 800k-1m would probably make MSNBC happy — especially since a big chunk of that will be in the coveted demo (don’t think many 55+ folks are interested in Rosie’s rants).
Comment by Anonymous — November 5, 2007 @ 9:23 pm
This is surely a sign of the coming apocalypse.
Comment by Bill G — November 5, 2007 @ 9:36 pm
#29, you’re so full of crap, it’s hard to know where to start scooping. You invoke the name of Jesus in your illiterate rant, but only use a small “j”. You wonder if Jesus would “like” the rush’s of the world? You idiot, Jesus loved everyone. Right now, however, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s a little pissed at you for using his name in vain.
As far as olbermann beating O’Reilly in the demo — LMAO , only in your wet dreams, little man.
Comment by LeAnn — November 5, 2007 @ 9:59 pm
Even if there’s truth to this story, Rosie wouldn’t last long anywhere because she’s entirely too volatile and combative. Yes, there may be other people in the business with similar traits, but they manage to keep their jobs. Rosie never seems to be able to. I’m not a fan of hers.
Comment by Marty — November 5, 2007 @ 10:34 pm
#26: you might want to take a closer look at Olbermann’s ratings. He’s been “growing” his audience now for the entire four years he’s been on MSNBC and he’s still getting his butt kicked on a regular basis by Fox and can’t come close to the numbers he gets. Second place (and sometimes third) aren’t wins my dear. And they never will be. Sure you believe it because it’s all he ever claims and all MSNBC ever proclaims but in the end, a loss is still a loss. And Olbermann is not a winner. Never has been, never will be.
By the way, it’s taken Rick Sanchez about 2 months to rachet up ratings that are knocking on Olbermann’s door. It took Olbermann FOUR YEARS to get to that level. the only difference is that KO gets the love letters from the mainstream media that pushes forward the mistaken notion he’s some ratings “giant”.
At least people know who Rosie is, even if they can’t stand the sight of her.
Comment by Alison — November 5, 2007 @ 10:38 pm
This would guarantee ratings for MSNBC especially if there was a studio audience part. The network could add another strong conservative as a permanent contributor the Rosie’s show and the other primetime shows to balance this out if it were to happen. I am saying like recognizable person like Bay Buchanan or Dennis Prager or Mike Medved.
Comment by Aaron — November 5, 2007 @ 11:05 pm
Let me correct the last part of my post starting at …conservative as a permanent contributor toRosie’s show…I am saying a recognizable person like…
Comment by Aaron — November 5, 2007 @ 11:12 pm
Btw, Blogsome has not updated for Daylight Savings
Comment by Aaron — November 5, 2007 @ 11:13 pm
I wonder though would MSNBC let Rosie go on her “9/11 is a inside job?” rant…they don’t even let KO go there even you just know he wants too.
Comment by mlong — November 5, 2007 @ 11:26 pm
#s 40 & 38 keith has beaten him a few times in the demo, yes i have seen the numbers. that he even comes close is reason to celebrate. as for the “jesus was a liberal” claim, he cared for the “least of us” and was about tolerence, not paroting the rantings of a fat drug addict and demonizing people for caring about humanity.
your tactics work in a right wing echo chamber. in an open forum where people can speak freely and without being drowned out by a tiny minority of terror junkies, chicken hawks and fake christians? not so much. jesus was a liberal by any stretch of the imagination. read up on it, why dontcha? as for rosie, i love that she drives the jesus chrispies nuts. (jesus crispies are not real christians. they are bumper sticker christians. there is a difference.)
Comment by dexxjones — November 5, 2007 @ 11:45 pm
and another thing: mentioning jesus as an example of tolerence and caring is not using his name in vain. using jesus to beat up on people of a different skin color or political ideology, (a jesus chrispy hobby) IS using his name in vain for a way of thinking that he never, in all of the biblical writings about him, supported. nice try aint buying.
Comment by dexxjones — November 5, 2007 @ 11:48 pm
^
No need to say more BDS(Bush Derangement Syndrome)
Comment by Lurker — November 6, 2007 @ 1:29 am
mlong, KO isnt a 9/11 conspiracy theorist. You know, most of us liberals dont believe it was an inside job. I know its hard for the close-minded dimwits like you to believe that, but its true.
Comment by randy — November 6, 2007 @ 3:13 am
Lurker, if all you can do is throw around personal attacks (as usual) you obviously are not competent enough to have a normal debate.
Comment by Mike Beckham — November 6, 2007 @ 3:24 am
“You idiot, Jesus loved everyone.”
Okay, this is now my favorite comment of all time.
Comment by Arthur — November 6, 2007 @ 5:38 am
Dexx, you’re a hoot. Are you this funny when you are sober as well?
Comment by Goldfish — November 6, 2007 @ 6:52 am
“I think the incident with Elizabeth Hasselback on “The View” proved that Rosie can’t deal with someone who doesn’t expressly agree with her.”
ImNotBlue, did you actually watch The View or just FNC’s clips? FYI, Rosie “dealt” with Elisabeth just fine.. The only problem was, Elisabeth would become “unhinged” and unreasonable.. which is the main reason I stopped watching. See, EH basically spouts extremist talking points.. but when “challenged” she overheats. I don’t know, something about “almost crying” while expressing views turns me off big time. Btw, I’m not making excuses for Rosie’ views either.
Comment by Terance — November 6, 2007 @ 8:02 am
I thought FNC was going to hire her, the way they have clips of her anytime she steps into public. I think Rosie should get a show, but it should be on a network not MSNBC. The only reason I think she should be on msnbc is to get rid of the doc-block daily, her ratings would be too high to lead into LockUP San Antonio or whatever.
Comment by chase — November 6, 2007 @ 11:18 am
dexx, please provide the link when Olbermann beat O’Reilly in the demo. I’m talking about the actual ratings. Not DVR. Not re-runs. Not breaking news coverage…Head to head…new show vs. new show…
Tick, tick, tick….
Comment by bigred — November 6, 2007 @ 11:50 am
Terance, than why was it talked about throughout the media that the on-air argument with Elizabeth helped spur on Rosie’s departure. Why was it reported that Rosie decided to leave earlier than originally planned? Why were there reports that she was angry that Barbara didn’t help defend her? Why were the stories about how angry she was after that show, and her assistant saying nasty things?
Elizabeth certainly isn’t the one I’d throw into a debate… but from everything I read (from multiple sources) Rosie was not happy after that program. I don’t think Rosie is strong enough to really debate an expert… just someone she can bully around a bit… she’s too temperamental. And having another show on that station with someone who refuses to debate, refuses to acknowledge opposing points of view… it doesn’t bode well for them.
But honestly, I don’t think it will come to that. I don’t think that Rosie has the guaranteed ratings that everyone seems to think she’ll get… especially if they put her at night. In the morning/afternoon she was popular with the housewives… but at night, she’d have to compete with other primetime programming, as well as a male audience that is in general not very receptive to her. Even with MSNBC’s low numbers, I can’t imagine her actually being able to get significant ratings. And frankly, I don’t think she has the stability to have bad ratings, and keep on trying.
Comment by ImNotBlue — November 6, 2007 @ 12:44 pm
ImNotBlue, just tell me weather you watched The View with Rosie regularly or not. I mean, admitting to relying on FNC’s cherry picked clips which air every 15 minutes isn’t so bad, eh.
Comment by Terance — November 6, 2007 @ 12:58 pm
No Terance, I did not watch “The View” with Rosie regularly.
I’m a guy.
I did, however, see the clips of Rosie on more than just FNC. So where I wrong?
Comment by ImNotBlue — November 6, 2007 @ 1:37 pm
ImNotBlue, I like women and see nothing wrong with watching The View, eh. My point being, relying on “clips” instead of watching the entire show might leave one with the wrong impression. Anyway, if you have the time, please look at all four pages of this and get back to me. Btw, this is the type of thing Rosie talks about. And I’m sure you know the .pdf is available on GWU’s website too.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1
Comment by Terance — November 6, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
> The network could add another strong conservative as a permanent contributor the Rosie’s show and the other primetime shows
Hmm. What strong conservative would Rosie permit to appear regularly on her show? There might be some. But the bigger question, is what strong conservative would Olby permit on HIS show? Seeing as he hasn’t interviewed a Republican politician or strategist for OVER A YEAR, I highly doubt he will permit any genuine conservative to appear on his show once, let alone on a recurring basis.
Comment by johnny dollar — November 6, 2007 @ 2:32 pm
I like women too… but not enough to listen to them talk. It’s a joke, it’s a joke… and to answer the inevitable question, yes I’m single.
Just to make sure we’re talking about the same thing, it was the article about falsely attacking the US to provoke war with Cuba… right? Okay… an interesting read… an interesting book. I’ll put it on my Amazon list.
But here’s the bottom line about that… it didn’t happen. They could have been spit-balling, planning, or whatever… apparently enough to fill a book… but the bottom line is, it didn’t happen.
However, Rosie’s theories about whatever really don’t bother me. She’s entitled to her opinion… no matter how loopy it is. I have a problem because she isn’t challenged on it. When you come out supporting a conspiracy theory… one that goes against so much evidence… you have to be willing to take questions, and debate it. Otherwise you are simply a propagandist, and your ‘opinions’ should be viewed with little credibility. If you believe what you say, defend it. Don’t just talk and walk away… I’m not going to believe you.
PS
Darn you Terance! I was reading your article and I should have been paying attention to what I was cooking! If my Rice-A-Roni tastes funny, I’m blaming you!
Comment by ImNotBlue — November 6, 2007 @ 3:19 pm
ImNotBlue, ok! Anyway I was just helping my dad put on a new roof and he fell off! And no I’m not kidding. He had this grand idea of sitting in a flimsy chair and fell right off the side onto the concrete…(while shoveling shingles) and I couldn’t do a damn thing about it! So, he’s off to the hospital with most likely a broken hip and my mind isn’t in debating right now. Sorry.
Comment by Terance — November 6, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
Phil Donahue was a “big name” hired by MSNBC, and his ratings were abysmal, from what I remember. So I doubt whether Rosie’s talk show would do a lot better.
As someone mentioned earlier in the thread, she succeeded when she was “nice”, years ago, on her talk show. But I think her ratings began to tank when she started her “mean” act.
I honestly don’t know how ANYONE can watch The View. Whether Rosie is on or not, it just seems like these women are a bunch of cacklers who parrot each others ideas, and laugh and agree with anything (as long as it’s not conservative). If that’s the type of audience MSNBC wants to attract, then let them have it!
Comment by Missy — November 6, 2007 @ 5:40 pm
dexxjones,
Where do you people come up with this “Jesus was a liberal” train of thinking? The Bible is full of laws that we are to obey, and sorry to say, most libs like to break them all. Then when called on them, we’re accused of “intolerance”.
Yes, we are to forgive, but people are to REPENT of their sin. Jesus did forgive the woman of adultery, but then he told her to “GO AND SIN NO MORE”! (John 8:1-11). Liberals ALWAYS leave that part out when speaking of forgiveness.
Jesus also mentioned that the way to heaven is the “narrow path”, meaning that we are to adhere strictly to His teachings. There’s a lot more to say on the subject, but since this is not a board for theology, I will refrain for now. But please know that God does in fact command us to to turn away from our sin!
Comment by Missy — November 6, 2007 @ 5:51 pm
Terance… well, my Rice-A-Roni tasted fine… I saved it.
That sucks about your dad, however. Why was he sitting on the roof in a chair? Well, anyway… hope everything goes will with that and he recovers well. Although, if I were you… I wouldn’t hang around the hospital too long… first my food, then your dad, you’ve got the bad mojo today… at this point, I’d lock myself in the basement until tomorrow.
Here’s hoping all goes well.
Comment by ImNotBlue — November 6, 2007 @ 5:59 pm
Missy, I used to watch The View simply because Meredith Vieria and Elisabeth Hasselbeck are hot.
Thanks, ImNotBlue. He has a bad back and leg, so sitting in the chair was easier than on the roof itself. I live in Florida and have no basement! HA!
Comment by Terance — November 6, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
Glad we have that completely relevant “Jesus cooking Rice-A-Roni on the roof of Phil Donahue’s house while arguing with liberals over P2+ ratings” thing settled. Because I would have lost sleep otherwise.
Looks like MSNBC really is gonna go all the way with this. I guess Rosie’s “Celeb Detox” didn’t take…
Comment by sivart — November 6, 2007 @ 7:24 pm
Missy: “The Bible is full of laws that we are to obey, and sorry to say, most libs like to break them all.”
Uh, Missy, there’s plenty of conservatives who disobey biblical laws too. Acting unChristian-like is not something limited to liberals. I know many good people that would be considered liberals who live their lives in a very Christ-like manner. Please don’t use your own political bias to make such sweeping generalizations.
Comment by STP — November 7, 2007 @ 10:06 pm